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The result was delete. Not convinced by the efforts by my fellow editors that this subject meets WP:ARTIST at this time.
Thank you everyone for participating and assuming good faith! If you disagree with this closure, please take your concerns to Deletion Review prior to my talk page. Thanks again and happy holidays! Missvain ( talk) 01:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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Non-notable to meet WP:NARTIST. Does not pass WP:ANYBIO, either. Htanaungg ( talk) 03:37, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Not delete In my humble opinion the article should not be removed. The artist has collaborated with many legendary names, but what is more important, he has a significant contribution in performing the new music, he made many world prapremiers. I will add more sources and some content to prove it. Atomksk ( talk) 19:50, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. My search only yielded passing mentions and this interview in a Polish art magazine. We're very far from WP:SIGCOV, WP:NARTIST and WP:ANYBIO. Pilaz ( talk) 23:04, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The articles is improved, corrected and cmopleted with the sources, a lot of references, before sharing your opinion, please review the new currect, new version. Atomksk ( talk) 22:45, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. @ Atomksk: The sources you added only give passing mentions to the author and don't talk about him, so they don't contribute to WP:GNG. In our jargon, they may even constitute a WP:REFBOMB. The subject should be covered in-depth, independently, by reliable secondary sources. Also, you can't vote twice, so please replace your "Not delete" with "Comment". Thank you. Pilaz ( talk) 00:08, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. @ Pilaz: Thank you, I have changed to "Comment". But still I need a help how to improve it, since the sources I have added are independent and reliable Atomksk ( talk) 00:52, 4 November 2021 (UTC).
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plicit
04:09, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
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plicit
11:16, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep the subject complies with WP:BASIC. Has been ref. within polish cultural magazines and polish radio with widespread audience. Louie ( talk) 12:10, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- @ Rrts: Which articles suggest significant coverage as mentioned in WP:BASIC? All I see are catalog entries, passing mentions and an interview. Pilaz ( talk) 23:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Weak Keep: There is some further material at the Polish version of the page, including claiming he won "first place or special prizes" (per google translate) at several international competitions. Not sure how prominent these competitions are. Rusalkii ( talk) 19:37, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- @
Rusalkii: I've taken a look at the sources in the Polish version and all I could find online (via Google translate) are passing mentions. To me, the subject of the article fails
WP:BASIC even after the Polish version. Maybe I've missed multiple articles giving significant coverage to the artist, in which case I'd be interested in reading them. As to the awards of
WP:ANYBIO: he won 2nd place at the December 2008
Penderecki Cello Competition, he was the co-awardee of a
2005 award in a "musical high school" category ("second-level music school"), and his
2004 award was also won while in high school at the age of 16 in a similar high school category. To me, neither the youth competitions nor the 2008 competition seem to fulfill the requirements of
WP:ANYBIO for a "major award", but I'm open to changing my mind.
Pilaz (
talk)
00:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Amending to weak delete due to Pilaz's analysis of the awards; the 2008 competition seems borderline to me.
- @
Rusalkii: I've taken a look at the sources in the Polish version and all I could find online (via Google translate) are passing mentions. To me, the subject of the article fails
WP:BASIC even after the Polish version. Maybe I've missed multiple articles giving significant coverage to the artist, in which case I'd be interested in reading them. As to the awards of
WP:ANYBIO: he won 2nd place at the December 2008
Penderecki Cello Competition, he was the co-awardee of a
2005 award in a "musical high school" category ("second-level music school"), and his
2004 award was also won while in high school at the age of 16 in a similar high school category. To me, neither the youth competitions nor the 2008 competition seem to fulfill the requirements of
WP:ANYBIO for a "major award", but I'm open to changing my mind.
Pilaz (
talk)
00:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more round to reflect changes to the article, and
User:Rusalkii and
User:Pilazs comments. Thoughts?
Thanks for assuming good faith on this relisting.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Missvain (
talk)
23:02, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Not convinced by the efforts by my fellow editors that this subject meets WP:ARTIST at this time.
Thank you everyone for participating and assuming good faith! If you disagree with this closure, please take your concerns to Deletion Review prior to my talk page. Thanks again and happy holidays! Missvain ( talk) 01:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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Non-notable to meet WP:NARTIST. Does not pass WP:ANYBIO, either. Htanaungg ( talk) 03:37, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Htanaungg ( talk) 03:37, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Htanaungg ( talk) 03:37, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:45, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not delete In my humble opinion the article should not be removed. The artist has collaborated with many legendary names, but what is more important, he has a significant contribution in performing the new music, he made many world prapremiers. I will add more sources and some content to prove it. Atomksk ( talk) 19:50, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. My search only yielded passing mentions and this interview in a Polish art magazine. We're very far from WP:SIGCOV, WP:NARTIST and WP:ANYBIO. Pilaz ( talk) 23:04, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The articles is improved, corrected and cmopleted with the sources, a lot of references, before sharing your opinion, please review the new currect, new version. Atomksk ( talk) 22:45, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. @ Atomksk: The sources you added only give passing mentions to the author and don't talk about him, so they don't contribute to WP:GNG. In our jargon, they may even constitute a WP:REFBOMB. The subject should be covered in-depth, independently, by reliable secondary sources. Also, you can't vote twice, so please replace your "Not delete" with "Comment". Thank you. Pilaz ( talk) 00:08, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. @ Pilaz: Thank you, I have changed to "Comment". But still I need a help how to improve it, since the sources I have added are independent and reliable Atomksk ( talk) 00:52, 4 November 2021 (UTC).
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
✗
plicit
04:09, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
✗
plicit
11:16, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep the subject complies with WP:BASIC. Has been ref. within polish cultural magazines and polish radio with widespread audience. Louie ( talk) 12:10, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- @ Rrts: Which articles suggest significant coverage as mentioned in WP:BASIC? All I see are catalog entries, passing mentions and an interview. Pilaz ( talk) 23:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Weak Keep: There is some further material at the Polish version of the page, including claiming he won "first place or special prizes" (per google translate) at several international competitions. Not sure how prominent these competitions are. Rusalkii ( talk) 19:37, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- @
Rusalkii: I've taken a look at the sources in the Polish version and all I could find online (via Google translate) are passing mentions. To me, the subject of the article fails
WP:BASIC even after the Polish version. Maybe I've missed multiple articles giving significant coverage to the artist, in which case I'd be interested in reading them. As to the awards of
WP:ANYBIO: he won 2nd place at the December 2008
Penderecki Cello Competition, he was the co-awardee of a
2005 award in a "musical high school" category ("second-level music school"), and his
2004 award was also won while in high school at the age of 16 in a similar high school category. To me, neither the youth competitions nor the 2008 competition seem to fulfill the requirements of
WP:ANYBIO for a "major award", but I'm open to changing my mind.
Pilaz (
talk)
00:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Amending to weak delete due to Pilaz's analysis of the awards; the 2008 competition seems borderline to me.
- @
Rusalkii: I've taken a look at the sources in the Polish version and all I could find online (via Google translate) are passing mentions. To me, the subject of the article fails
WP:BASIC even after the Polish version. Maybe I've missed multiple articles giving significant coverage to the artist, in which case I'd be interested in reading them. As to the awards of
WP:ANYBIO: he won 2nd place at the December 2008
Penderecki Cello Competition, he was the co-awardee of a
2005 award in a "musical high school" category ("second-level music school"), and his
2004 award was also won while in high school at the age of 16 in a similar high school category. To me, neither the youth competitions nor the 2008 competition seem to fulfill the requirements of
WP:ANYBIO for a "major award", but I'm open to changing my mind.
Pilaz (
talk)
00:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more round to reflect changes to the article, and
User:Rusalkii and
User:Pilazs comments. Thoughts?
Thanks for assuming good faith on this relisting.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Missvain (
talk)
23:02, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.