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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 04:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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GNIS permastub. Unlike Dentonia, Kansas in the same county I cannot find any evidence of there ever having been a village here, with no Google results apart from auto-generated crap and references to an unrelated church named Wesley Center in Independence, Kansas. Historical satellite imagery shows one building which was removed at some point between 2011 and 2014. Neither this historical site nor historical maps make any mention of Wesley Center until 1985 when it appears as a name with no structures attached. Passenger pigeon ( talk) 05:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kansas-related deletion discussions. Passenger pigeon ( talk) 05:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:57, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Wesley Center was a real place; it had its own local column in the Burr Oak Herald during the 1920s (see this for example), and it gets some mentions in north Kansas and south Nebraska local newspapers during the same general era. That being said, I'm not sure there's enough to it to support an article without more sources than that. TheCatalyst31 Reaction• Creation 15:07, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- KEEP According to Roadside Thoughts Gazetteer, it still exists. [1] — Maile ( talk) 19:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- leaning delete These Kansas locales have proven troublesome. This one looks a lot on the maps like Dentonia mentioned above, but I don't think a heading in a local paper is enough to describe what it is, and that's really what we need, not just a tag which collects together ephemeral items about residents. That said, it's possible that somewhere out there is some local history which addresses the matter directly, as was the case for Dentonia. Regular searching shows the usual clickbait (of which Roadside Thoughts is an example) and a number of references to Methodist Church facilities and simple juxtaposition of the words, but nothing specific to this place other than the usual US gazetteer GNIS predecessor documents. Mangoe ( talk) 00:00, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 16:43, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 04:20, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. The newspaper clipping is enough to establish that the community was once a real one. Once notable, always notable. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 05:35, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Without additional context, this fails all notability guidelines. User:Let'srun 21:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist, this is looking like No Consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:09, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Neither of the sources linked above is significant coverage: One is just a listing of minor events that happened in the area during one week in 1927 (someone couldn't get home from school because of the weather...someone bought a rug for the church...) and the other is just a nonselective gazetteer entry with little information content. These establish the location exists and may have once been populated, but existence is not notability. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 15:00, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. As a former unincorporated place the subject of the article is not eligible for WP:NPLACE automatic notability. Absent that, it is clear that it lacks notability under GNG. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 17:30, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 04:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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- Wesley Center, Kansas ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
GNIS permastub. Unlike Dentonia, Kansas in the same county I cannot find any evidence of there ever having been a village here, with no Google results apart from auto-generated crap and references to an unrelated church named Wesley Center in Independence, Kansas. Historical satellite imagery shows one building which was removed at some point between 2011 and 2014. Neither this historical site nor historical maps make any mention of Wesley Center until 1985 when it appears as a name with no structures attached. Passenger pigeon ( talk) 05:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kansas-related deletion discussions. Passenger pigeon ( talk) 05:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:57, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Wesley Center was a real place; it had its own local column in the Burr Oak Herald during the 1920s (see this for example), and it gets some mentions in north Kansas and south Nebraska local newspapers during the same general era. That being said, I'm not sure there's enough to it to support an article without more sources than that. TheCatalyst31 Reaction• Creation 15:07, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- KEEP According to Roadside Thoughts Gazetteer, it still exists. [1] — Maile ( talk) 19:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- leaning delete These Kansas locales have proven troublesome. This one looks a lot on the maps like Dentonia mentioned above, but I don't think a heading in a local paper is enough to describe what it is, and that's really what we need, not just a tag which collects together ephemeral items about residents. That said, it's possible that somewhere out there is some local history which addresses the matter directly, as was the case for Dentonia. Regular searching shows the usual clickbait (of which Roadside Thoughts is an example) and a number of references to Methodist Church facilities and simple juxtaposition of the words, but nothing specific to this place other than the usual US gazetteer GNIS predecessor documents. Mangoe ( talk) 00:00, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 16:43, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 04:20, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. The newspaper clipping is enough to establish that the community was once a real one. Once notable, always notable. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 05:35, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Without additional context, this fails all notability guidelines. User:Let'srun 21:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist, this is looking like No Consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:09, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Neither of the sources linked above is significant coverage: One is just a listing of minor events that happened in the area during one week in 1927 (someone couldn't get home from school because of the weather...someone bought a rug for the church...) and the other is just a nonselective gazetteer entry with little information content. These establish the location exists and may have once been populated, but existence is not notability. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 15:00, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. As a former unincorporated place the subject of the article is not eligible for WP:NPLACE automatic notability. Absent that, it is clear that it lacks notability under GNG. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 17:30, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.