The result was no consensus. This AFD has now been open for nearly a month and it verges on being a trainwreck. I don't see a consensus here. I'm closing it as No consensus, no prejudice or waiting period for it to return to AFD for a fresh start, with a solid focus on sources and standards for notability instead of accusations against editors. Right now though, this discussion calls for closure. Liz Read! Talk! 22:15, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NAUTHOR and WP:GNG.
Sources are either unreliable or they are making only a passing mention. Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 02:06, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
@ Aman.kumar.goel, please don't forget the steps listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors. Thanks,
The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.and per WP:ANYBIO,
The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor.𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜 07:18, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
:I think it's a sockpuppet of Aman.Kumar.Goel. I request @
A. B.: to do a sockpuppet investigation.
202.134.10.138 (
talk)
17:05, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
topics which pass an SNG are presumed to merit an article.All of the provided information and claims are verified by reliable sources in this article. BTW significant coverage( WP:SIGCOV) is part of WP:GNG. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜 05:18, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::You have
WP:COI with this, that's why you are just going on saying this exact line again and again because you don't have the ability now to prove it in detail.
43.245.120.228 (
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16:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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02:26, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Sathiya ratna shiromani awards Times of India The Tribune diprpunjab.gov.in
President's Certificate of Honour - 2018 (as Prof. (Dr.) Ved Prakash Upadhyaya) sanskrit.nic.in ministry of education, India pib.gov.in DSP2092 talk 06:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
**
see here in pages 2, 3 and 26. He got
president's certificalte of honour award and also 5 lakh rupees with it. The article of the
president's certificalte of honour says: "The awards of Certificate of Honour and Maharshi Badrayan Vyas Samman are Indian Presidential honours which are conferred on academics by the President of India once a year on the Indian Independence Day, celebrated on 15 August; in recognition of their substantial contribution in the various fields of languages including Arabic, Kannada, Sanskrit, Malayalam, Oriya, Pali, Persian, Prakrit and the Telugu language. The awards come under the umbrella of the language division of the Ministry of Education's Department of Higher Education. ... The Certificate of Honour-i is awarded to selected Indian scholars having an age of 60 years or above. It honour includes a certificate, a memento and one time cash of five hundred thousand Indian rupees. The Certificate of Honour-ii is awarded to selected scholars Overseas Indians and foreigners of non-Indian origin, who aged 60 years or above. The award constitutes a certificate, a memento and one time cash of five hundred thousand Indian rupees." And you can check the references in
this deleted version of the article in Bharatpidea. See
here in
Daily Jang and
here in
Urdu Point by google translate, and
here in English in
The Nation (Pakistan) and
here in Turkish in
OdaTV, the book has been discussed there broadly.Also there is media coverage of being converted to muslim by reading this book.
[1]
202.134.10.141 (
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21:35, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
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02:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Nearly everyone here agrees that this person is not notablefits here specially because the rationale matter, !vote count doesn't. Bringtar ( talk) 07:50, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
"is an honorific title given to prestigious scholars by the Government"- awarded by the Haryana state government (see article in Punjab Kesari [6]
"In Indian religions and society, an acharya is a preceptor and expert instructor in matters such as religion, or any other subject."[7]
”The awards of Certificate of Honour and Maharshi Badrayan Vyas Samman are Indian Presidential honours which are conferred on academics by the President of India once a year on the Indian Independence Day, celebrated on 15 August; in recognition of their substantial contribution in the various fields of languages including Arabic, Kannada, Sanskrit, Malayalam, Oriya, Pali, Persian, Prakrit and the Telugu language.”
”The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.”
Only a handful are awardedNot true. Over half a hundred awards are handed out every year, with about three dozen in Sanskrit each year.
"Some years its not awarded"Not true, our article is incomplete but the award is handed out annually.
"Are there higher awards for Sanskrit scholars?"Yes, the actual Notable, National awards known as the Jnanapith Award and Sahitya Akademi Award. These I remember off the top of my head, but quite sure there's more.Therefore, by our rules, this person is non notable regardless of any fierce affinity a pool of editors may have toward him and his book. Captain Jack Sparrow ( talk) 20:13, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
"writers of the most outstanding books of literary merit". It is not an award for scholarship.
"the highest Indian literary award presented annually by the Bharatiya Jnanpith to an author for their 'outstanding contribution towards literature'".It is not an award for scholarship
An acharya is a highly learned person with a title affixed to the names of learned subject. Can you please share some RS to support your claims about the award in question? Do you think Maharshi Badrayan Vyas Samman is a non-notable award? If yes then why it is in Wikipedia? Bringtar ( talk) 07:59, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. This AFD has now been open for nearly a month and it verges on being a trainwreck. I don't see a consensus here. I'm closing it as No consensus, no prejudice or waiting period for it to return to AFD for a fresh start, with a solid focus on sources and standards for notability instead of accusations against editors. Right now though, this discussion calls for closure. Liz Read! Talk! 22:15, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NAUTHOR and WP:GNG.
Sources are either unreliable or they are making only a passing mention. Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 02:06, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
@ Aman.kumar.goel, please don't forget the steps listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors. Thanks,
The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.and per WP:ANYBIO,
The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor.𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜 07:18, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
:I think it's a sockpuppet of Aman.Kumar.Goel. I request @
A. B.: to do a sockpuppet investigation.
202.134.10.138 (
talk)
17:05, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
topics which pass an SNG are presumed to merit an article.All of the provided information and claims are verified by reliable sources in this article. BTW significant coverage( WP:SIGCOV) is part of WP:GNG. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜 05:18, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::You have
WP:COI with this, that's why you are just going on saying this exact line again and again because you don't have the ability now to prove it in detail.
43.245.120.228 (
talk)
16:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Liz
Read!
Talk!
02:26, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Sathiya ratna shiromani awards Times of India The Tribune diprpunjab.gov.in
President's Certificate of Honour - 2018 (as Prof. (Dr.) Ved Prakash Upadhyaya) sanskrit.nic.in ministry of education, India pib.gov.in DSP2092 talk 06:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
**
see here in pages 2, 3 and 26. He got
president's certificalte of honour award and also 5 lakh rupees with it. The article of the
president's certificalte of honour says: "The awards of Certificate of Honour and Maharshi Badrayan Vyas Samman are Indian Presidential honours which are conferred on academics by the President of India once a year on the Indian Independence Day, celebrated on 15 August; in recognition of their substantial contribution in the various fields of languages including Arabic, Kannada, Sanskrit, Malayalam, Oriya, Pali, Persian, Prakrit and the Telugu language. The awards come under the umbrella of the language division of the Ministry of Education's Department of Higher Education. ... The Certificate of Honour-i is awarded to selected Indian scholars having an age of 60 years or above. It honour includes a certificate, a memento and one time cash of five hundred thousand Indian rupees. The Certificate of Honour-ii is awarded to selected scholars Overseas Indians and foreigners of non-Indian origin, who aged 60 years or above. The award constitutes a certificate, a memento and one time cash of five hundred thousand Indian rupees." And you can check the references in
this deleted version of the article in Bharatpidea. See
here in
Daily Jang and
here in
Urdu Point by google translate, and
here in English in
The Nation (Pakistan) and
here in Turkish in
OdaTV, the book has been discussed there broadly.Also there is media coverage of being converted to muslim by reading this book.
[1]
202.134.10.141 (
talk)
21:35, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
References
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Liz
Read!
Talk!
02:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Nearly everyone here agrees that this person is not notablefits here specially because the rationale matter, !vote count doesn't. Bringtar ( talk) 07:50, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
"is an honorific title given to prestigious scholars by the Government"- awarded by the Haryana state government (see article in Punjab Kesari [6]
"In Indian religions and society, an acharya is a preceptor and expert instructor in matters such as religion, or any other subject."[7]
”The awards of Certificate of Honour and Maharshi Badrayan Vyas Samman are Indian Presidential honours which are conferred on academics by the President of India once a year on the Indian Independence Day, celebrated on 15 August; in recognition of their substantial contribution in the various fields of languages including Arabic, Kannada, Sanskrit, Malayalam, Oriya, Pali, Persian, Prakrit and the Telugu language.”
”The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.”
Only a handful are awardedNot true. Over half a hundred awards are handed out every year, with about three dozen in Sanskrit each year.
"Some years its not awarded"Not true, our article is incomplete but the award is handed out annually.
"Are there higher awards for Sanskrit scholars?"Yes, the actual Notable, National awards known as the Jnanapith Award and Sahitya Akademi Award. These I remember off the top of my head, but quite sure there's more.Therefore, by our rules, this person is non notable regardless of any fierce affinity a pool of editors may have toward him and his book. Captain Jack Sparrow ( talk) 20:13, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
"writers of the most outstanding books of literary merit". It is not an award for scholarship.
"the highest Indian literary award presented annually by the Bharatiya Jnanpith to an author for their 'outstanding contribution towards literature'".It is not an award for scholarship
An acharya is a highly learned person with a title affixed to the names of learned subject. Can you please share some RS to support your claims about the award in question? Do you think Maharshi Badrayan Vyas Samman is a non-notable award? If yes then why it is in Wikipedia? Bringtar ( talk) 07:59, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Deloar Akram (
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21:10, 26 August 2023 (UTC)