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The result was delete. The one "keep" !vote is not policy based. Randykitty ( talk) 14:50, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Uncle Sinner
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WP:BLP of a musician, not properly referenced as having a strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. The notability claim is essentially that his music exists, which isn't automatically enough in and of itself absent significant achievements (notable music awards, chart success, etc.) and/or the reception of reliable source coverage about him and his work to externally validate his significance -- but the referencing here is entirely to blogs and primary sources, with not a shred of WP:GNG-worthy reliable source coverage about him shown at all. Bearcat ( talk) 16:21, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Canada. Bearcat ( talk) 16:21, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex ( talk) 16:57, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - The musician has indeed been noticed by some blogs and fanzines, as already cited in the article, but those notices are few and are probably not reliable sources anyway. Otherwise, this is a standard case of a musician that has gotten his works onto the usual streaming and promotional services but has not generated the reliable media notice that can inform an encyclopedic article. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 13:58, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - The artist has been published in reputable magazines (fRoots) as well as published print material (Unprepared To Die: America's Greatest Murder Ballads And The True Crime Stories That Inspired Them), I will update the page references to reflect this as I agree with you and Doomsdayer520 that online blogs are not reliable sources. The artist also maintains a high stream count on Spotify, the track 'Let The Devil In' nearing 300k streams, and 'Oh Death' now at over 100k. NWK47 ( talk) 20:26, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Per Wikipedia policy, number of streams is irrelevant for this type of debate in which notability is being assessed. See WP:NMUSICIAN, where there are 12 criteria that can help a musician achieve notability, and you will see nothing about streaming counts. Meanwhile, the appearance in fRoots Magazine may help, but the article is copied at the blog by Paul Slade that is already cited, so it will add no new information. The book "Unprepared To Die" may also help but it is also by Paul Slade, who appears to repeat singular interviews around multiple platforms. Thus, there is still a shortage of reliable info with which to build an encyclopedic article for Uncle Sinner. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 23:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. The one "keep" !vote is not policy based. Randykitty ( talk) 14:50, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Uncle Sinner
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WP:BLP of a musician, not properly referenced as having a strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. The notability claim is essentially that his music exists, which isn't automatically enough in and of itself absent significant achievements (notable music awards, chart success, etc.) and/or the reception of reliable source coverage about him and his work to externally validate his significance -- but the referencing here is entirely to blogs and primary sources, with not a shred of WP:GNG-worthy reliable source coverage about him shown at all. Bearcat ( talk) 16:21, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Canada. Bearcat ( talk) 16:21, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex ( talk) 16:57, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - The musician has indeed been noticed by some blogs and fanzines, as already cited in the article, but those notices are few and are probably not reliable sources anyway. Otherwise, this is a standard case of a musician that has gotten his works onto the usual streaming and promotional services but has not generated the reliable media notice that can inform an encyclopedic article. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 13:58, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - The artist has been published in reputable magazines (fRoots) as well as published print material (Unprepared To Die: America's Greatest Murder Ballads And The True Crime Stories That Inspired Them), I will update the page references to reflect this as I agree with you and Doomsdayer520 that online blogs are not reliable sources. The artist also maintains a high stream count on Spotify, the track 'Let The Devil In' nearing 300k streams, and 'Oh Death' now at over 100k. NWK47 ( talk) 20:26, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- Per Wikipedia policy, number of streams is irrelevant for this type of debate in which notability is being assessed. See WP:NMUSICIAN, where there are 12 criteria that can help a musician achieve notability, and you will see nothing about streaming counts. Meanwhile, the appearance in fRoots Magazine may help, but the article is copied at the blog by Paul Slade that is already cited, so it will add no new information. The book "Unprepared To Die" may also help but it is also by Paul Slade, who appears to repeat singular interviews around multiple platforms. Thus, there is still a shortage of reliable info with which to build an encyclopedic article for Uncle Sinner. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 23:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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