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The result was delete. Fenix down ( talk) 08:42, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
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Fails both the WP:GNG and WP:NSPORTS guidelines. Attempts to comply with WP:BEFORE demonstrate that the only sources on this person are to either generic database entries (e.g., transfrmrkt), social media, (LinkedIn, Twitter, etc.) or roster pages (e.g., University of Tulsa, SoccerSTL). There are actually zero GNEWS hits. There is no evidence in the article or in searches that this person has played in a fully-professional league. Their professional career has so far been limited to the National Premier Soccer League, a semi-professional league. Of the 7 references given, 4 do not mention the player at all, 1 is a high school sports box score from the local paper, 1 is a signing announcement, and 1 a very short article from his alma mater. None of this qualifies as significant, independent, and reliable. At the very best, this can be considered WP:TOOSOON. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:07, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:07, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete based upon precisely the rationale of the nominator. When the gentleman's career takes off he may have an article written about him here. One of the references fails to open for me. The others are not much more than regurgitated PR material. It feels like WP:ADMASQ. Fiddle Faddle 17:24, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination rationale. Its seems to be spam. scope_creep Talk 17:40, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 11:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 11:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete – as per all the users above. Hasn't played higher than the NPSL Members Cup, which is not a WP:FPL, and no coverage found to meet GNG. Keskkonnakaitse ( talk) 17:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete non notable -- Devokewater @ 09:27, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Further Analysis In the spirit of full disclosure, I am updating the nom with some more analysis. If you don't care about soccer/football organizational politics, feel free to skip this. I have received off-wiki communication claiming that Tony Doellefeld does qualify under NFOOTY because the Milwaukee Torrent are part of the NPSL Founders Cup and therefore a FPL. The NPSL Founders Cup was an attempt to create a professional subdivision within the NPSL that ran into great difficulty and was abandoned in favor of the NPSL Members Cup that Keskkonnakaitse mentions above. The Members Cup is overseen by the United States Adult Soccer Association, a sanctioning body for amateur soccer. This does not change the original analysis but does explain why there was a reference or two to Doellefeld signing a professional contract. TL;DR version: Doellefeld still never has played for a FPL, but there was reason at one point for him to think he was going to. Apologies for any confusion. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable. Olaf Kosinsky ( talk) 13:45, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Fenix down ( talk) 08:42, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
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- Tony Doellefeld ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Fails both the WP:GNG and WP:NSPORTS guidelines. Attempts to comply with WP:BEFORE demonstrate that the only sources on this person are to either generic database entries (e.g., transfrmrkt), social media, (LinkedIn, Twitter, etc.) or roster pages (e.g., University of Tulsa, SoccerSTL). There are actually zero GNEWS hits. There is no evidence in the article or in searches that this person has played in a fully-professional league. Their professional career has so far been limited to the National Premier Soccer League, a semi-professional league. Of the 7 references given, 4 do not mention the player at all, 1 is a high school sports box score from the local paper, 1 is a signing announcement, and 1 a very short article from his alma mater. None of this qualifies as significant, independent, and reliable. At the very best, this can be considered WP:TOOSOON. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:07, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:07, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:07, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete based upon precisely the rationale of the nominator. When the gentleman's career takes off he may have an article written about him here. One of the references fails to open for me. The others are not much more than regurgitated PR material. It feels like WP:ADMASQ. Fiddle Faddle 17:24, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination rationale. Its seems to be spam. scope_creep Talk 17:40, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 11:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 11:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete – as per all the users above. Hasn't played higher than the NPSL Members Cup, which is not a WP:FPL, and no coverage found to meet GNG. Keskkonnakaitse ( talk) 17:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete non notable -- Devokewater @ 09:27, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Further Analysis In the spirit of full disclosure, I am updating the nom with some more analysis. If you don't care about soccer/football organizational politics, feel free to skip this. I have received off-wiki communication claiming that Tony Doellefeld does qualify under NFOOTY because the Milwaukee Torrent are part of the NPSL Founders Cup and therefore a FPL. The NPSL Founders Cup was an attempt to create a professional subdivision within the NPSL that ran into great difficulty and was abandoned in favor of the NPSL Members Cup that Keskkonnakaitse mentions above. The Members Cup is overseen by the United States Adult Soccer Association, a sanctioning body for amateur soccer. This does not change the original analysis but does explain why there was a reference or two to Doellefeld signing a professional contract. TL;DR version: Doellefeld still never has played for a FPL, but there was reason at one point for him to think he was going to. Apologies for any confusion. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable. Olaf Kosinsky ( talk) 13:45, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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