The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
"he Northern Ireland Troubles have been referenced numerous times... This article aims to provide a complete list of such works." Is this topic potentially notable? Probably. Is there anything to rescue from this iteration of
WP:NOTTVTROPES? Not likely. Another mostly unreferenced list of ORish collection of mentions of topic x in random works. Fails
WP:IPC,
WP:GNG,
WP:NLIST,
WP:INDISCRIMINATE and
WP:TRIVIA. At best,
WP:TNT applies with no prejudice to anyone rewriting this at some future point from scratch. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here12:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete - Largely unsourced list that is even worse than simply being trivia items, because the vast majority of the entries have absolutely no context - its just a list of "things" that may or may not have mentioned the concept of The Troubles. The few items that do have any kind of information attached are the very definition of trivial (i.e. "a single episode of a long running TV program mentioned the concept").
Rorshacma (
talk)
17:08, 25 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep -- This is a harmless list. I do not think the category can be more comprehensive, though it cover the same ground, because the list has several red links. List of this kind are much better for not being cluttered with references: the place for the references is in the articles that are listed.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
17:21, 26 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Per
MOS:POPCULT: "Cultural references about a subject should not be included simply because they exist. Rather, all such references should be discussed in at least one
reliable secondary or tertiary source which specifically links the cultural item to the subject of the article. This source should cover the subject of the article in some depth; it should not be a source that merely mentions the subject's appearance in a movie, song, television show, or other cultural item." See also
WP:NOTPLOT,
WP:IPCV and
this 2015 RFC on the topic. I find it very unlikely that most of the article's content is discussed in secondary sources.
Draftify or Delete per above. It seems like an article could probably be written on The Troubles in literature, but it would need to be a complete rewrite with likely little to none of the pressent
WP:ORish list being included (deleting per
WP:TNT would also be an option)
Cakelot1 (
talk)
21:38, 26 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:IINFO. Most of the article doesn't even mention how The Troubles was referenced, let alone, establishing how those "references" are of any significance beyond
WP:LISTCRUFT or
WP:TRIVIA. As others have mentioned, deleting it and rewriting it from scratch is probably the way to go. Delete without prejudice to a recreation/rewrite.—
Mythdon (
talk •
contribs)
23:59, 28 April 2022 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
"he Northern Ireland Troubles have been referenced numerous times... This article aims to provide a complete list of such works." Is this topic potentially notable? Probably. Is there anything to rescue from this iteration of
WP:NOTTVTROPES? Not likely. Another mostly unreferenced list of ORish collection of mentions of topic x in random works. Fails
WP:IPC,
WP:GNG,
WP:NLIST,
WP:INDISCRIMINATE and
WP:TRIVIA. At best,
WP:TNT applies with no prejudice to anyone rewriting this at some future point from scratch. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here12:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete - Largely unsourced list that is even worse than simply being trivia items, because the vast majority of the entries have absolutely no context - its just a list of "things" that may or may not have mentioned the concept of The Troubles. The few items that do have any kind of information attached are the very definition of trivial (i.e. "a single episode of a long running TV program mentioned the concept").
Rorshacma (
talk)
17:08, 25 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep -- This is a harmless list. I do not think the category can be more comprehensive, though it cover the same ground, because the list has several red links. List of this kind are much better for not being cluttered with references: the place for the references is in the articles that are listed.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
17:21, 26 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Per
MOS:POPCULT: "Cultural references about a subject should not be included simply because they exist. Rather, all such references should be discussed in at least one
reliable secondary or tertiary source which specifically links the cultural item to the subject of the article. This source should cover the subject of the article in some depth; it should not be a source that merely mentions the subject's appearance in a movie, song, television show, or other cultural item." See also
WP:NOTPLOT,
WP:IPCV and
this 2015 RFC on the topic. I find it very unlikely that most of the article's content is discussed in secondary sources.
Draftify or Delete per above. It seems like an article could probably be written on The Troubles in literature, but it would need to be a complete rewrite with likely little to none of the pressent
WP:ORish list being included (deleting per
WP:TNT would also be an option)
Cakelot1 (
talk)
21:38, 26 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:IINFO. Most of the article doesn't even mention how The Troubles was referenced, let alone, establishing how those "references" are of any significance beyond
WP:LISTCRUFT or
WP:TRIVIA. As others have mentioned, deleting it and rewriting it from scratch is probably the way to go. Delete without prejudice to a recreation/rewrite.—
Mythdon (
talk •
contribs)
23:59, 28 April 2022 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.