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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis ( talk) 02:12, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Tamara Fazzolari
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Per WP:NOPAGE this article should be redirected to Miss Oregon. This does not require establishing notability, which is hard to do in these cases anyway. Uniquely, the article also points out she was raped while a minor making it a possible WP:BLP violation and quite distasteful. Her daughter's article Ali Wallace is also up for deletion. Legacypac ( talk) 05:30, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions. sst✈ (discuss) 09:10, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep as her notability is for winning the Miss Oregon title and notability is not temporary. Subject easily crosses the verifiability and notability thresholds with significant coverage in reliable third-party sources. Notability is a threshold, not a competition, and her court case is now a significant piece of the Oregon legal system. - Dravecky ( talk) 18:42, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spinning Spark 19:07, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep there's plenty of coverage in reliable sources on the page already, so it meets the GNG and WP:BIO. Also I don't think you understand what the BLP policy means - the rape is cited to reliable sources (not to mention her parents sued, so it's obviously in the public record). BLP doesn't mean that any negative event in a person's life can't be on WP. FuriouslySerene ( talk) 20:59, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
WP:VICTIM "A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person.... The victim... consistent with WP:BLP1E had a large role within a well-documented historic event. The historic significance is indicated by persistent coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources that devote significant attention to the individual's role. WP:NCRIME "And Articles about criminal acts, particularly those that fall within the category of "breaking news", are frequently the subject of deletion discussions. As with other events, media coverage can confer notability on a high-profile criminal act, provided such coverage meets the above guidelines and those regarding reliable sources."
Which begs the question, was the rape a "high-profile criminal act"? Legacypac ( talk) 22:17, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- She clearly isn't notable only in connection with the rape (which takes up 3 sentences in a 7 paragraph article). FuriouslySerene ( talk) 14:24, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep as her notability is for winning the Miss Oregon title and notability is not temporary. -- BabbaQ ( talk) 22:54, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - meets GNG. Very well know in legal circles as the case is quite famous in Oregon. Aboutmovies ( talk) 18:24, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. Unlike the multitude of other pageant-winner nominations, this person is (sadly) notable for more than just the pageant, therefore WP:BLP1E does not apply, but WP:GNG and WP:NTEMP do, and there is no such thing as WP:BLP2E. - The Bushranger One ping only 12:20, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep as a WP:GNG pass, per Dravecky. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 01:17, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - WP:GNG - Nominator needs to clarify why WP:NOPAGE applies. There are sufficient neutral reliable sources to meet the general notability guidelines. The article contains more information then a birthdate and winning Miss Oregon. It contains information about her life, a rape, and explains the daughter also won miss Oregon. This is information relevant to the person that cannot be put in the article Miss Oregon. As such it should have its own article. Even if the rape were to deserve its own article, the page cannot be redirected to both articles. A seperate article is the best way to provide our readers with an overview of the subject. Sincerely, Taketa ( talk) 13:10, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis ( talk) 02:12, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Tamara Fazzolari
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Per WP:NOPAGE this article should be redirected to Miss Oregon. This does not require establishing notability, which is hard to do in these cases anyway. Uniquely, the article also points out she was raped while a minor making it a possible WP:BLP violation and quite distasteful. Her daughter's article Ali Wallace is also up for deletion. Legacypac ( talk) 05:30, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions. sst✈ (discuss) 09:10, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep as her notability is for winning the Miss Oregon title and notability is not temporary. Subject easily crosses the verifiability and notability thresholds with significant coverage in reliable third-party sources. Notability is a threshold, not a competition, and her court case is now a significant piece of the Oregon legal system. - Dravecky ( talk) 18:42, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spinning Spark 19:07, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 20:21, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep there's plenty of coverage in reliable sources on the page already, so it meets the GNG and WP:BIO. Also I don't think you understand what the BLP policy means - the rape is cited to reliable sources (not to mention her parents sued, so it's obviously in the public record). BLP doesn't mean that any negative event in a person's life can't be on WP. FuriouslySerene ( talk) 20:59, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
WP:VICTIM "A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person.... The victim... consistent with WP:BLP1E had a large role within a well-documented historic event. The historic significance is indicated by persistent coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources that devote significant attention to the individual's role. WP:NCRIME "And Articles about criminal acts, particularly those that fall within the category of "breaking news", are frequently the subject of deletion discussions. As with other events, media coverage can confer notability on a high-profile criminal act, provided such coverage meets the above guidelines and those regarding reliable sources."
Which begs the question, was the rape a "high-profile criminal act"? Legacypac ( talk) 22:17, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- She clearly isn't notable only in connection with the rape (which takes up 3 sentences in a 7 paragraph article). FuriouslySerene ( talk) 14:24, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep as her notability is for winning the Miss Oregon title and notability is not temporary. -- BabbaQ ( talk) 22:54, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - meets GNG. Very well know in legal circles as the case is quite famous in Oregon. Aboutmovies ( talk) 18:24, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. Unlike the multitude of other pageant-winner nominations, this person is (sadly) notable for more than just the pageant, therefore WP:BLP1E does not apply, but WP:GNG and WP:NTEMP do, and there is no such thing as WP:BLP2E. - The Bushranger One ping only 12:20, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep as a WP:GNG pass, per Dravecky. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 01:17, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - WP:GNG - Nominator needs to clarify why WP:NOPAGE applies. There are sufficient neutral reliable sources to meet the general notability guidelines. The article contains more information then a birthdate and winning Miss Oregon. It contains information about her life, a rape, and explains the daughter also won miss Oregon. This is information relevant to the person that cannot be put in the article Miss Oregon. As such it should have its own article. Even if the rape were to deserve its own article, the page cannot be redirected to both articles. A seperate article is the best way to provide our readers with an overview of the subject. Sincerely, Taketa ( talk) 13:10, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
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