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The result was keep. Sandstein 12:47, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
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No notable solo career or prominence beyond AKB48 and SKE48. Oricon lists no ranked singles [1]or albums [2]. Has a supporting voice role in AKB0048 anime, but no extensive voice acting career or film/television career beyond what typical members of the group would experience. Recommend redirect to AKB48-related article. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:25, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Comment This might not mean much if they are unreliable but there are 42 different sources present at ja:wiki [3]. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 18:31, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- A good chunk of those are her own blog posts, and mostly cover that she is listed among the AKB48 single/concert participants. If among there there is some detailed interview or coverage of her on non-48 group projects, showing notability then that would help. Very little of her calendar section is sourced. The section that many of the references come from isn't impressive either. 人物 (Personal life) talks about her height, her dogs, and her family, and that she likes romance novels and the band Garnet Crow. AKB48・SKE48関連 covers her relationships with her fellow members. That's nice but it isn't what makes her notable.
AngusWOOF (
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18:59, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- It's good stuff for BLPs in general, but WP:ENT needs to be met first. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 19:16, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- A good chunk of those are her own blog posts, and mostly cover that she is listed among the AKB48 single/concert participants. If among there there is some detailed interview or coverage of her on non-48 group projects, showing notability then that would help. Very little of her calendar section is sourced. The section that many of the references come from isn't impressive either. 人物 (Personal life) talks about her height, her dogs, and her family, and that she likes romance novels and the band Garnet Crow. AKB48・SKE48関連 covers her relationships with her fellow members. That's nice but it isn't what makes her notable.
AngusWOOF (
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18:59, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Delete I can see no notability to be found per Angus' findings. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 19:07, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- In lieu of the information found below I am switching my opinion to Keep, I have not seen anyone dispute the sources presented. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 15:14, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. 1. She passes WP:GNG, just do a Google News search. 2. the latest news articles that have her in the title are about her starring in the title role in the live action movie "燐寸少女 マッチショウジョ" ( example); 3. She had been a member of multiple notable bands ( AKB48 and SKE48), therefore she passes WP:MUSICBIO #6. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 23:17, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- The Little Match Girl references are promising but the film itself hasn't been shown to be notable yet. If this were worked into the article as well as other lead non-AKB48-related roles, then that would suffice for WP:ENT. Same with if she starts a solo career, which is what qualifies most other AKB48 members for individual articles. Musicbio#6 does not apply as the AKB48 and SKE48 are related groups and fall into the "chorus" ensembles per the footnote. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:33, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Insufficient third-party sourcing or in-depth coverage to demonstrate independent notability. --
DAJF (
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08:36, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Look at some news articles: she placed 49th in the elections
[4], she plays Wendy in Peter Pan
[5]
[6]
[7], she acted in a TV commercial
[8], she acted in the movie "放課後ロスト"
[9]
[10], she acted in a music video for "Listen to Me" by 197666
[11]. And an article related to her Google+ post:
[12].
@ DAJF:. Even if you think the "depth of coverage" is unsufficient, could you please change your vote to "Redirect". When her movie The Little March Girl [13] comes out, she will be 100% notable. Who will recreate the page then? It will take several hours to do from scratch, I won't be able to do it. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 09:22, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Look at some news articles: she placed 49th in the elections
[4], she plays Wendy in Peter Pan
[5]
[6]
[7], she acted in a TV commercial
[8], she acted in the movie "放課後ロスト"
[9]
[10], she acted in a music video for "Listen to Me" by 197666
[11]. And an article related to her Google+ post:
[12].
- That's still WP:TOOSOON as the release date is May 26. If the film is that notable then that needs an article and the appropriate amount of secondary source press. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 20:04, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - She's covered in enough credible outlets like Nikkan Sports [14] and Asahi Shimbun [15] as far as I am concerned. A blanket Google News name search often equals dumpster diving for blog posts and other failures of WP:RS but she has just enough coverage to ensure a foothold on WP:N. Jun Kayama 20:14, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:09, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:09, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - I think, Sato Sumire is a borderline case, but her previous career and her status as Horipro-member almost guarantee notability on her own. Also, please don't treat japanese idols as musicians or even artists. They just do not fit into this category, even if they happen to "sing" on CDs. That said, the article in question is aweful. It does not contain any information on things she has done independent on her status as a member of the AKB48 group, outside of tables. Rka001 ( talk) 01:16, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep perhaps even if reluctant because although this is still questionable for its own article, I would hope this can be improved if need be. SwisterTwister talk 23:11, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Sandstein 12:47, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- Sumire Satō ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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No notable solo career or prominence beyond AKB48 and SKE48. Oricon lists no ranked singles [1]or albums [2]. Has a supporting voice role in AKB0048 anime, but no extensive voice acting career or film/television career beyond what typical members of the group would experience. Recommend redirect to AKB48-related article. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:25, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:26, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:26, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:26, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Comment This might not mean much if they are unreliable but there are 42 different sources present at ja:wiki [3]. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 18:31, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- A good chunk of those are her own blog posts, and mostly cover that she is listed among the AKB48 single/concert participants. If among there there is some detailed interview or coverage of her on non-48 group projects, showing notability then that would help. Very little of her calendar section is sourced. The section that many of the references come from isn't impressive either. 人物 (Personal life) talks about her height, her dogs, and her family, and that she likes romance novels and the band Garnet Crow. AKB48・SKE48関連 covers her relationships with her fellow members. That's nice but it isn't what makes her notable.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
18:59, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- It's good stuff for BLPs in general, but WP:ENT needs to be met first. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 19:16, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- A good chunk of those are her own blog posts, and mostly cover that she is listed among the AKB48 single/concert participants. If among there there is some detailed interview or coverage of her on non-48 group projects, showing notability then that would help. Very little of her calendar section is sourced. The section that many of the references come from isn't impressive either. 人物 (Personal life) talks about her height, her dogs, and her family, and that she likes romance novels and the band Garnet Crow. AKB48・SKE48関連 covers her relationships with her fellow members. That's nice but it isn't what makes her notable.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
18:59, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Delete I can see no notability to be found per Angus' findings. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 19:07, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- In lieu of the information found below I am switching my opinion to Keep, I have not seen anyone dispute the sources presented. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 15:14, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. 1. She passes WP:GNG, just do a Google News search. 2. the latest news articles that have her in the title are about her starring in the title role in the live action movie "燐寸少女 マッチショウジョ" ( example); 3. She had been a member of multiple notable bands ( AKB48 and SKE48), therefore she passes WP:MUSICBIO #6. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 23:17, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- The Little Match Girl references are promising but the film itself hasn't been shown to be notable yet. If this were worked into the article as well as other lead non-AKB48-related roles, then that would suffice for WP:ENT. Same with if she starts a solo career, which is what qualifies most other AKB48 members for individual articles. Musicbio#6 does not apply as the AKB48 and SKE48 are related groups and fall into the "chorus" ensembles per the footnote. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:33, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Insufficient third-party sourcing or in-depth coverage to demonstrate independent notability. --
DAJF (
talk)
08:36, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Look at some news articles: she placed 49th in the elections
[4], she plays Wendy in Peter Pan
[5]
[6]
[7], she acted in a TV commercial
[8], she acted in the movie "放課後ロスト"
[9]
[10], she acted in a music video for "Listen to Me" by 197666
[11]. And an article related to her Google+ post:
[12].
@ DAJF:. Even if you think the "depth of coverage" is unsufficient, could you please change your vote to "Redirect". When her movie The Little March Girl [13] comes out, she will be 100% notable. Who will recreate the page then? It will take several hours to do from scratch, I won't be able to do it. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 09:22, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Look at some news articles: she placed 49th in the elections
[4], she plays Wendy in Peter Pan
[5]
[6]
[7], she acted in a TV commercial
[8], she acted in the movie "放課後ロスト"
[9]
[10], she acted in a music video for "Listen to Me" by 197666
[11]. And an article related to her Google+ post:
[12].
- That's still WP:TOOSOON as the release date is May 26. If the film is that notable then that needs an article and the appropriate amount of secondary source press. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 20:04, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - She's covered in enough credible outlets like Nikkan Sports [14] and Asahi Shimbun [15] as far as I am concerned. A blanket Google News name search often equals dumpster diving for blog posts and other failures of WP:RS but she has just enough coverage to ensure a foothold on WP:N. Jun Kayama 20:14, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:09, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:09, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - I think, Sato Sumire is a borderline case, but her previous career and her status as Horipro-member almost guarantee notability on her own. Also, please don't treat japanese idols as musicians or even artists. They just do not fit into this category, even if they happen to "sing" on CDs. That said, the article in question is aweful. It does not contain any information on things she has done independent on her status as a member of the AKB48 group, outside of tables. Rka001 ( talk) 01:16, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep perhaps even if reluctant because although this is still questionable for its own article, I would hope this can be improved if need be. SwisterTwister talk 23:11, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
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