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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Jack Frost ( talk) 10:40, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Stephanie Pace Marshall
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I couldn't establish that she meets WP:BIO or WP:GNG. Possible redirect to Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy if found non-notable. Boleyn ( talk) 07:28, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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Deleteper nom. Another article about an accomplished professional who isn't notable in an encyclopedic sense. These types of articles always have a quasi-promotional tone to them, and exist primarily to serve as support to the subject's own Web site. Caro7200 ( talk) 13:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect - I acknowledge and appreciate the recent work that has gone into this article, and it is better tone-wise. I think she's still more an accomplished professional, though. Caro7200 ( talk) 19:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:PROF and WP:AUTHOR. She is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts. Additionally, at least two of her works (books) are the subject of multiple reviews (this should be added into the article). A thorough WP:BEFORE would turn up these reviews. TJMSmith ( talk) 14:32, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm looking for reasons to support keep on this one, but I don't see
WP:NAUTHOR. She's got one authored book, a book chapter (which should be considered as comparable to an article), and a book-length report of a committee she was on with 19 others. RSA fellowship doesn't look all that exclusive. The Order of Lincoln gives a stronger case.
Russ Woodroofe (
talk)
15:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Agree, was just about to make the RSA comment myself.
Caro7200 (
talk)
15:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- RSA Fellowship most definitely does not indicate notability. Some of my best friends etc etc.... Mccapra ( talk) 18:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Agree, was just about to make the RSA comment myself.
Caro7200 (
talk)
15:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm looking for reasons to support keep on this one, but I don't see
WP:NAUTHOR. She's got one authored book, a book chapter (which should be considered as comparable to an article), and a book-length report of a committee she was on with 19 others. RSA fellowship doesn't look all that exclusive. The Order of Lincoln gives a stronger case.
Russ Woodroofe (
talk)
15:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. There's an in-depth profile at the Chicago Tribune upon her stepping down from IMSA, now added to the article. The Order of Lincoln also contributes to notability. (She also served as chancellor of that organization for 3 years [1]). When combined with a reasonable number of reviews of her book, I think that this meets GNG. The article had moderate WP:PROMO issues, which TJMSmith has done a lot of good work towards fixing. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 18:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Comment re this added work: Fry, Heather; Ketteridge, Steve; Marshall, Stephanie, eds. (1999). A handbook for teaching & learning in higher education: enhancing academic practice - is this the same Stephanie Marshall? Caro7200 ( talk) 21:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Good catch, I removed it!
TJMSmith (
talk)
21:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Still see this as a case of a professional with inherited notability. She was president of a "three-year residential public secondary education institution," which can be expanded upon in that article's history section. She helped to edit one book; the chapter she contributed is about the school where she worked. She wrote one book. Google Scholar indicates that she's written or contributed to at least 25 articles. Is that enough? Please don't think I mean this sarcastically; I don't. Caro7200 ( talk) 20:40, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Good catch, I removed it!
TJMSmith (
talk)
21:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. With an honorary degree passes WP:Prof. Xxanthippe ( talk) 22:57, 8 May 2020 (UTC).
- Keep Not so sure about WP:AUTHOR, but probably passes WP:PROF, WP:BASIC and maybe WP:GNG.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY. The article and especially its sourcing has been significantly improved since nomination by TJMSmith and Russ Woodroofe. As said above, FRSA is too unselective to count for much, but I think the Lincoln Academy, the reviews for her single-authored book, the honorary degrees, and the ASCD presidency collectively add up to enough. — David Eppstein ( talk) 20:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY. Only having one book probably wouldn't be enough to count as a "body of work", but the book reviews and everything else together suffice. XOR'easter ( talk) 21:13, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Jack Frost ( talk) 10:40, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Stephanie Pace Marshall
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I couldn't establish that she meets WP:BIO or WP:GNG. Possible redirect to Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy if found non-notable. Boleyn ( talk) 07:28, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Kpg jhp jm 08:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Kpg jhp jm 08:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:52, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Deleteper nom. Another article about an accomplished professional who isn't notable in an encyclopedic sense. These types of articles always have a quasi-promotional tone to them, and exist primarily to serve as support to the subject's own Web site. Caro7200 ( talk) 13:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect - I acknowledge and appreciate the recent work that has gone into this article, and it is better tone-wise. I think she's still more an accomplished professional, though. Caro7200 ( talk) 19:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:PROF and WP:AUTHOR. She is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts. Additionally, at least two of her works (books) are the subject of multiple reviews (this should be added into the article). A thorough WP:BEFORE would turn up these reviews. TJMSmith ( talk) 14:32, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm looking for reasons to support keep on this one, but I don't see
WP:NAUTHOR. She's got one authored book, a book chapter (which should be considered as comparable to an article), and a book-length report of a committee she was on with 19 others. RSA fellowship doesn't look all that exclusive. The Order of Lincoln gives a stronger case.
Russ Woodroofe (
talk)
15:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Agree, was just about to make the RSA comment myself.
Caro7200 (
talk)
15:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- RSA Fellowship most definitely does not indicate notability. Some of my best friends etc etc.... Mccapra ( talk) 18:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Agree, was just about to make the RSA comment myself.
Caro7200 (
talk)
15:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm looking for reasons to support keep on this one, but I don't see
WP:NAUTHOR. She's got one authored book, a book chapter (which should be considered as comparable to an article), and a book-length report of a committee she was on with 19 others. RSA fellowship doesn't look all that exclusive. The Order of Lincoln gives a stronger case.
Russ Woodroofe (
talk)
15:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. There's an in-depth profile at the Chicago Tribune upon her stepping down from IMSA, now added to the article. The Order of Lincoln also contributes to notability. (She also served as chancellor of that organization for 3 years [1]). When combined with a reasonable number of reviews of her book, I think that this meets GNG. The article had moderate WP:PROMO issues, which TJMSmith has done a lot of good work towards fixing. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 18:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith ( talk) 20:52, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith ( talk) 20:52, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Comment re this added work: Fry, Heather; Ketteridge, Steve; Marshall, Stephanie, eds. (1999). A handbook for teaching & learning in higher education: enhancing academic practice - is this the same Stephanie Marshall? Caro7200 ( talk) 21:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Good catch, I removed it!
TJMSmith (
talk)
21:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Still see this as a case of a professional with inherited notability. She was president of a "three-year residential public secondary education institution," which can be expanded upon in that article's history section. She helped to edit one book; the chapter she contributed is about the school where she worked. She wrote one book. Google Scholar indicates that she's written or contributed to at least 25 articles. Is that enough? Please don't think I mean this sarcastically; I don't. Caro7200 ( talk) 20:40, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Good catch, I removed it!
TJMSmith (
talk)
21:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. With an honorary degree passes WP:Prof. Xxanthippe ( talk) 22:57, 8 May 2020 (UTC).
- Keep Not so sure about WP:AUTHOR, but probably passes WP:PROF, WP:BASIC and maybe WP:GNG.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY. The article and especially its sourcing has been significantly improved since nomination by TJMSmith and Russ Woodroofe. As said above, FRSA is too unselective to count for much, but I think the Lincoln Academy, the reviews for her single-authored book, the honorary degrees, and the ASCD presidency collectively add up to enough. — David Eppstein ( talk) 20:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY. Only having one book probably wouldn't be enough to count as a "body of work", but the book reviews and everything else together suffice. XOR'easter ( talk) 21:13, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
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