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The result was no consensus. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:11, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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Non-notable producer. Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV scope_creep Talk 21:41, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 21:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep. One of the most successful music producers in Israel! Produced " Toy", "Shney Meshugaim", and many other 1# charted songs, and even won Society of Authors, Composers and Music Publishers in Israel prize (One of the most notable Israeli music prizes). WP:NM: "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition." + "Has won or been nominated for a major music award". He meets the criteria! Israeli guys would joking on this deletion nomination, believe me. YairMelamed ( talk) 22:11, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Seems a weak keep to me, but I daresay Israeli/Hebrew language sources would solidify him as a keep - he's written some major works, including stuff for Eurovision. Deathlibrarian ( talk) 01:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment That may be so. But where is the in-depth, independent, secondary references. Single sentences and passing mentions, are insufficient. I saw mention for Eurovision, but I can't find much on. WP:THREE would be ideal. scope_creep Talk 06:57, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- The consensus is there must be real coverage to WP:NMUSIC, which is not there. Passing mentions doesn't cover it, and that's all I can see. scope_creep Talk 09:28, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Where are the references that are actually about him? MaskedSinger ( talk) 14:22, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Here, for example. YairMelamed ( talk) 18:43, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Don't think so. It looks like PR.
scope_creep
Talk
20:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Beger is one of Israel's prominent music producers and songwriters and responsible to some of the major hits in the recent years. The above mentioned article is in
Yedioth Ahronoth, it's exclusively about Beger and it's not pr, there is also almost
an hour intreview with him in
Kan.
Tzahy (
talk)
04:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Where is the rest of the coverage, that should be visible for a
WP:BLP. At the moment it still fails
WP:SIGCOV. Where is the in-depth, intellectually independent secondary sources that are needed to establish notabilty. That article does look PR. Stating he is notable, without evidence isn't ideal.
scope_creep
Talk
09:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yedioth Ahronoth has a wall, and the full article is unfold only to paying subsribers, just like the NYT, WaPo and WSJ. Tzahy ( talk) 17:20, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- So far there is nothing substantial been shown. Lots of conjecture about being notable, but no evidence. scope_creep Talk 11:27, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Where is the rest of the coverage, that should be visible for a
WP:BLP. At the moment it still fails
WP:SIGCOV. Where is the in-depth, intellectually independent secondary sources that are needed to establish notabilty. That article does look PR. Stating he is notable, without evidence isn't ideal.
scope_creep
Talk
09:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Beger is one of Israel's prominent music producers and songwriters and responsible to some of the major hits in the recent years. The above mentioned article is in
Yedioth Ahronoth, it's exclusively about Beger and it's not pr, there is also almost
an hour intreview with him in
Kan.
Tzahy (
talk)
04:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Don't think so. It looks like PR.
scope_creep
Talk
20:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 18:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 18:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. While he may be prolific and influential, there simply doesn't appear to be sufficient independent, third-party coverage of him to pass WP:ANYBIO. ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 15:41, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:11, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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Non-notable producer. Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV scope_creep Talk 21:41, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 21:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 21:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. One of the most successful music producers in Israel! Produced " Toy", "Shney Meshugaim", and many other 1# charted songs, and even won Society of Authors, Composers and Music Publishers in Israel prize (One of the most notable Israeli music prizes). WP:NM: "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition." + "Has won or been nominated for a major music award". He meets the criteria! Israeli guys would joking on this deletion nomination, believe me. YairMelamed ( talk) 22:11, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Seems a weak keep to me, but I daresay Israeli/Hebrew language sources would solidify him as a keep - he's written some major works, including stuff for Eurovision. Deathlibrarian ( talk) 01:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment That may be so. But where is the in-depth, independent, secondary references. Single sentences and passing mentions, are insufficient. I saw mention for Eurovision, but I can't find much on. WP:THREE would be ideal. scope_creep Talk 06:57, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- The consensus is there must be real coverage to WP:NMUSIC, which is not there. Passing mentions doesn't cover it, and that's all I can see. scope_creep Talk 09:28, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Where are the references that are actually about him? MaskedSinger ( talk) 14:22, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Here, for example. YairMelamed ( talk) 18:43, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Don't think so. It looks like PR.
scope_creep
Talk
20:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Beger is one of Israel's prominent music producers and songwriters and responsible to some of the major hits in the recent years. The above mentioned article is in
Yedioth Ahronoth, it's exclusively about Beger and it's not pr, there is also almost
an hour intreview with him in
Kan.
Tzahy (
talk)
04:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Where is the rest of the coverage, that should be visible for a
WP:BLP. At the moment it still fails
WP:SIGCOV. Where is the in-depth, intellectually independent secondary sources that are needed to establish notabilty. That article does look PR. Stating he is notable, without evidence isn't ideal.
scope_creep
Talk
09:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yedioth Ahronoth has a wall, and the full article is unfold only to paying subsribers, just like the NYT, WaPo and WSJ. Tzahy ( talk) 17:20, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- So far there is nothing substantial been shown. Lots of conjecture about being notable, but no evidence. scope_creep Talk 11:27, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Where is the rest of the coverage, that should be visible for a
WP:BLP. At the moment it still fails
WP:SIGCOV. Where is the in-depth, intellectually independent secondary sources that are needed to establish notabilty. That article does look PR. Stating he is notable, without evidence isn't ideal.
scope_creep
Talk
09:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Beger is one of Israel's prominent music producers and songwriters and responsible to some of the major hits in the recent years. The above mentioned article is in
Yedioth Ahronoth, it's exclusively about Beger and it's not pr, there is also almost
an hour intreview with him in
Kan.
Tzahy (
talk)
04:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Don't think so. It looks like PR.
scope_creep
Talk
20:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 18:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 18:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. While he may be prolific and influential, there simply doesn't appear to be sufficient independent, third-party coverage of him to pass WP:ANYBIO. ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 15:41, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.