The result was redirect to Steven Blane. At some point, the discussion went overheated, the article was severely rewritten after the nomination, and some users changed their votes. However, as I read it, everybody agrees that if one removes all material strictly about Steven Blane, the remaining sources are not sufficient to establish the notability of the website. We thus have a choice between delete, merge, and redirect. I have chosen redirect, which leaves the page history intact, and there is no prejudice about merge: Whoever wants to take the existing material and move it to the article on Steven Blane is welcome to do it.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 08:45, 20 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Non-notable website with a couple of mentions in weekly local newspaper. Created by a PR agent, prod removed by an editor with a username that suggests they are the person running this entity. Number 5 7 19:49, 10 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Hi Yoninah: Thank you for proving my WP:NPOV bona fides! It is VERY obvious that Blane and the Sim Shalom Synagogue are very much NOT Orthodox, in fact they are the opposite of that. However, WP does not limit itself by creating articles by one ideology alone or by one faith only, as you know many Jewish-content articles have much alien stuff inserted into them because this is WP. On the technical side there are direct parallels between the online work Blane is doing with the kind of stuff that other Orthodox outfits are doing. It is similar work, not "co-operative" work nor is it meant to "deceive" anyone as you imply. Please apologize, I am working as a WP editor not as an advocate for any one POV. That's all. That is why "See alsos" exist in order to show a similar and related in some way, but not "exact" examples that a reader may be interested in. IZAK ( talk) 00:42, 15 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Number 57: You are being far too strident in your attempts to wipe out this article. You state, for example, "None of the references added to the article since I nominated it are about the subject - most are about the rabbi running it." Which is incredible, because almost all articles about synagogues have sections about their rabbis, particularly if he/she is the founding rabbi and is very much still actively involved with it. Rabbis are noted in Jewish media far more often than their synagogues. A synagogue without a rabbi is like a carriage without a horse or a monarchy without a monarch (be they good or bad, whether you like or dislike them, is immaterial.) This is an old discussion. A synagogue does not need "notoriety" or "mega-coverage" to be notable or to have a WP article about it, because after all, a synagogue is, well, just a synagogue, where Jews come to pray and follow/hear the rabbi, period, and there are hundreds if not thousands in Category:Synagogues, so that if anything this is a WP:N synagogue because it utilizes the modern Internet and up to date technology to achieve its aims, something that Wikipedians of all people should appreciate. Why that bothers you so is more of a question. IZAK ( talk) 00:42, 15 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Hi Number 57: This is a subtle but serious point that you are missing, once there was user Shirahadasha ( talk · contribs) who had noted [7] in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chaim Dov Keller that: "...Religious sources and media of notable religious organizations are perfectly acceptable reliable sources to establish notability of religious subjects and figures. Notability in the field, not notability in general media, is the standard, and that is met here. There is no problem I can see that can justify a delete vote..." and the same applies here since after all this has been tagged as both a {{ Synagogue-stub}} and {{ Internet-stub}} with some good WP:RS now added and that naturally also requires more time than the "executioner's block treatment" you are subjecting this intriguingly encyclopedic topic to. Thanks, IZAK ( talk) 10:31, 15 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Yoninah: Firstly, the sources cited are all sufficient for what is after all a STUB of this level since most stubs do not even have any of this. Secondly, all you say proves that Rabbi Steven Blane has conducted fascinating and notable activities. Personally I do not agree with his ideology, but so what that is not the point! because even if one disagrees with his views the man is doing cutting-edge stuff that is being reported in media that you are far too dismissive of. Thirdly, you are contradicting yourself since what you say amounts to proposing that Sim Shalom Synagogue and Jewish Spiritual Leaders Institute should be merged and redirected into one Rabbi Steven Blane article (something I would not object to should that happen as I have mentioned earlier) that would/should/could have a valid section dedicated to the Sim Shalom Synagogue he founded as well as the Jewish Spiritual Leaders Institute he founded and runs, but let's see how this AfD runs its course. Fourthly, you must make up your mind which it will be and quit displaying a very evident violation of WP:IDONTLIKEIT which is understandable since this type of non-Orthodox outfit runs against your sensibilities and I fully sympathize but WP is not an Orthodox synagogue it is just, well, a WP:NPOV encyclopedia or should try to be. Fifthly, even though I do greatly sympathize with you I do think that you are acting as a POV warrior without realizing it perhaps, and need to consider WP:SPIDERMAN since by going to such extreme lengths to banish this topic you cannot simply "wish it away" simply because it is distasteful to you. IZAK ( talk) 14:06, 16 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Hi Whpq: I beg to differ with you. Could you please point to the exact WP guidelines of what makes a synagogue or a website notable? especially a cross between a synagogue and an inter-active website as in this case. The sources cited are more than sufficient for this level WP:STUB, could you also cite the WP policy guidelines of what makes a stub notable or not and just how many citations are required of a stub to be given time to be improved. Thanks, IZAK ( talk) 15:17, 16 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Want to start merging all three topics into Steven Blane? be my guest. It would reduce problems with WP:CONTENTFORKING. I have no objection to merging all three topics into one as long as all the cited material stays. IZAK ( talk) 15:27, 16 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Wphq, kindly do not speak in meaningless generalities, please cite exact policies, anyone can cite huge policies that do not effect the initial creation of articles that start out as small stubs. Thanks, IZAK ( talk)
Thank you Yoninah for all your hard work. I have struck my "Keep" vote and changed it to Merge and Redirect to the more sensible repository within the new Steven Blane (rabbi) article to avoid WP:CONTENTFORKING per agreement with User Yoninah ( talk · contribs) also, retaining my other comments since all the material has now been kept and merged and redirected into the new Steven Blane (rabbi) article. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 18:00, 17 April 2013 (UTC) reply
The result was redirect to Steven Blane. At some point, the discussion went overheated, the article was severely rewritten after the nomination, and some users changed their votes. However, as I read it, everybody agrees that if one removes all material strictly about Steven Blane, the remaining sources are not sufficient to establish the notability of the website. We thus have a choice between delete, merge, and redirect. I have chosen redirect, which leaves the page history intact, and there is no prejudice about merge: Whoever wants to take the existing material and move it to the article on Steven Blane is welcome to do it.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 08:45, 20 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Non-notable website with a couple of mentions in weekly local newspaper. Created by a PR agent, prod removed by an editor with a username that suggests they are the person running this entity. Number 5 7 19:49, 10 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Hi Yoninah: Thank you for proving my WP:NPOV bona fides! It is VERY obvious that Blane and the Sim Shalom Synagogue are very much NOT Orthodox, in fact they are the opposite of that. However, WP does not limit itself by creating articles by one ideology alone or by one faith only, as you know many Jewish-content articles have much alien stuff inserted into them because this is WP. On the technical side there are direct parallels between the online work Blane is doing with the kind of stuff that other Orthodox outfits are doing. It is similar work, not "co-operative" work nor is it meant to "deceive" anyone as you imply. Please apologize, I am working as a WP editor not as an advocate for any one POV. That's all. That is why "See alsos" exist in order to show a similar and related in some way, but not "exact" examples that a reader may be interested in. IZAK ( talk) 00:42, 15 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Number 57: You are being far too strident in your attempts to wipe out this article. You state, for example, "None of the references added to the article since I nominated it are about the subject - most are about the rabbi running it." Which is incredible, because almost all articles about synagogues have sections about their rabbis, particularly if he/she is the founding rabbi and is very much still actively involved with it. Rabbis are noted in Jewish media far more often than their synagogues. A synagogue without a rabbi is like a carriage without a horse or a monarchy without a monarch (be they good or bad, whether you like or dislike them, is immaterial.) This is an old discussion. A synagogue does not need "notoriety" or "mega-coverage" to be notable or to have a WP article about it, because after all, a synagogue is, well, just a synagogue, where Jews come to pray and follow/hear the rabbi, period, and there are hundreds if not thousands in Category:Synagogues, so that if anything this is a WP:N synagogue because it utilizes the modern Internet and up to date technology to achieve its aims, something that Wikipedians of all people should appreciate. Why that bothers you so is more of a question. IZAK ( talk) 00:42, 15 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Hi Number 57: This is a subtle but serious point that you are missing, once there was user Shirahadasha ( talk · contribs) who had noted [7] in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chaim Dov Keller that: "...Religious sources and media of notable religious organizations are perfectly acceptable reliable sources to establish notability of religious subjects and figures. Notability in the field, not notability in general media, is the standard, and that is met here. There is no problem I can see that can justify a delete vote..." and the same applies here since after all this has been tagged as both a {{ Synagogue-stub}} and {{ Internet-stub}} with some good WP:RS now added and that naturally also requires more time than the "executioner's block treatment" you are subjecting this intriguingly encyclopedic topic to. Thanks, IZAK ( talk) 10:31, 15 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Yoninah: Firstly, the sources cited are all sufficient for what is after all a STUB of this level since most stubs do not even have any of this. Secondly, all you say proves that Rabbi Steven Blane has conducted fascinating and notable activities. Personally I do not agree with his ideology, but so what that is not the point! because even if one disagrees with his views the man is doing cutting-edge stuff that is being reported in media that you are far too dismissive of. Thirdly, you are contradicting yourself since what you say amounts to proposing that Sim Shalom Synagogue and Jewish Spiritual Leaders Institute should be merged and redirected into one Rabbi Steven Blane article (something I would not object to should that happen as I have mentioned earlier) that would/should/could have a valid section dedicated to the Sim Shalom Synagogue he founded as well as the Jewish Spiritual Leaders Institute he founded and runs, but let's see how this AfD runs its course. Fourthly, you must make up your mind which it will be and quit displaying a very evident violation of WP:IDONTLIKEIT which is understandable since this type of non-Orthodox outfit runs against your sensibilities and I fully sympathize but WP is not an Orthodox synagogue it is just, well, a WP:NPOV encyclopedia or should try to be. Fifthly, even though I do greatly sympathize with you I do think that you are acting as a POV warrior without realizing it perhaps, and need to consider WP:SPIDERMAN since by going to such extreme lengths to banish this topic you cannot simply "wish it away" simply because it is distasteful to you. IZAK ( talk) 14:06, 16 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Hi Whpq: I beg to differ with you. Could you please point to the exact WP guidelines of what makes a synagogue or a website notable? especially a cross between a synagogue and an inter-active website as in this case. The sources cited are more than sufficient for this level WP:STUB, could you also cite the WP policy guidelines of what makes a stub notable or not and just how many citations are required of a stub to be given time to be improved. Thanks, IZAK ( talk) 15:17, 16 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Want to start merging all three topics into Steven Blane? be my guest. It would reduce problems with WP:CONTENTFORKING. I have no objection to merging all three topics into one as long as all the cited material stays. IZAK ( talk) 15:27, 16 April 2013 (UTC) reply
Wphq, kindly do not speak in meaningless generalities, please cite exact policies, anyone can cite huge policies that do not effect the initial creation of articles that start out as small stubs. Thanks, IZAK ( talk)
Thank you Yoninah for all your hard work. I have struck my "Keep" vote and changed it to Merge and Redirect to the more sensible repository within the new Steven Blane (rabbi) article to avoid WP:CONTENTFORKING per agreement with User Yoninah ( talk · contribs) also, retaining my other comments since all the material has now been kept and merged and redirected into the new Steven Blane (rabbi) article. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 18:00, 17 April 2013 (UTC) reply