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The article title, "Siege of Ontala (1599)," appears to be fabricated. There are no reliable sources mentioning either "Siege of Ontala (1599)
[1]" or simply "Siege of Ontala
[2]" that occurred in 1599. This name seems to be invented, as no historian refers to the military conflict by this name .
Among all the sources cited in the article, with the exception of "Encyclopaedia Indica: Mughals and Rajputs," all other sources fall under either
WP:RAJ,
WP:AGEMATTERS, or
WP:V. The article lacks coverage in enough reliable secondary sources, thus failing to meet the notability criteria
WP:GNG. The information can be easily merged to any of the parent articles.
Imperial[AFCND]09:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Amar Singh besieged the fort of Ontala from Mughals in 1599.
[1]1st
siege at Ontala , in Rajasthan , in Jahangier's time an elephant refused to push at a spiked gate , when a Rajpoot Chief placed his body between it and the gate
Page 125- Kayum Khan, the Mughal general of Ontala was killed while resisting the Rajput attack and the fort of Ontala fell in the hands of Amar Singh's men.
Narook (
talk)
09:55, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Amar Singh besieged the fort of Ontala from Mughals in 1599.
[1]1st
siege at Ontala , in Rajasthan , in Jahangier's time an elephant refused to push at a spiked gate , when a Rajpoot Chief placed his body between it and the gate
Page 125- Kayum Khan, the Mughal general of Ontala was killed while resisting the Rajput attack and the fort of Ontala fell in the hands of Amar Singh's men
siege of Untala, who, descending calmly from his elephant, placed his body on the spikes of the high portal, to serve as a cushion for the beast to push against...
Rana Amara Sing , who recovered Chitor after its last capture by Akbar , and the occasion was the attack on the fortress of Untala , whose ruins still Stand between Chittor and udaipurNarook (
talk)
10:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Most of the sources are unreliable and not verifiable. The deletion discussion is not a place to make questions against me. If you could do
WP:HEY. Go for it. But as long as there is no reliable sources calling it "Siege of Ontala", we can't keep this on mainspace. It's all about naming an event.
Imperial[AFCND]10:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Liz the Siege of ontala is also called as Siege of Untala
1 moving the page from Siege of Ontala to Siege of Untala would be a better idea
Narook (
talk)
06:02, 1 April 2024 (UTC)reply
•Keep- @
Tennisist123 @
Liz @
Spiderone I've quoted the sources mentioning Siege of Ontala below
Encyclopaedia Indica: Mughals and Rajputs (1999)Page 72:Siege of Ontala , the siege of which is famous for one of the most extraordinary exhibitions of Rajput courage recorded in the annals of Rajasthan . The right to lead the herole ( vanguard ) , which had for generations belonged to the Chondawats.
siege at Ontala , in Rajasthan , in Jehangier's time an elephant refused to push at a spiked gate , when a Rajpoot Chief placed his body between it and the gate ,
During the Siege of Untala and Sacrifice of Ballu The right to lead in battle was regarded as a sign of the greatest honour among the Rajputs . This honour was traditionally enjoyed by the Chundawats in Mewar . During the reign of Maharana Amar SinghNarook (
talk) 06:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
WP:SOCKSTRIKE.
Hey man im josh (
talk)
13:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
From my perspective, 1 and 2 are not admissible. 1. We should not be using encyclopedias as proof of notability. 2. Does not describe a proper noun, it describes that a siege occured at this place. The existence of a siege is not what is under discussion but whether the acton was commonly referred to as The Siege of Ontala.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: While I've struck the duplicate keep votes from a sock, there has not yet been enough participation (votes) to determine a consensus yet. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Hey man im josh (
talk)
13:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
It's mentioned at
List of battles in Rajasthan, does it make sense to redirect it there as an alternative to deletion? Typically I would expect this kind of topic to be discussed in a broader history article about the wider conflict, or in the article on the place/fort itself. But it doesn't look like we have an article for the fortress? --
asilvering (
talk)
03:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The article title, "Siege of Ontala (1599)," appears to be fabricated. There are no reliable sources mentioning either "Siege of Ontala (1599)
[1]" or simply "Siege of Ontala
[2]" that occurred in 1599. This name seems to be invented, as no historian refers to the military conflict by this name .
Among all the sources cited in the article, with the exception of "Encyclopaedia Indica: Mughals and Rajputs," all other sources fall under either
WP:RAJ,
WP:AGEMATTERS, or
WP:V. The article lacks coverage in enough reliable secondary sources, thus failing to meet the notability criteria
WP:GNG. The information can be easily merged to any of the parent articles.
Imperial[AFCND]09:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Amar Singh besieged the fort of Ontala from Mughals in 1599.
[1]1st
siege at Ontala , in Rajasthan , in Jahangier's time an elephant refused to push at a spiked gate , when a Rajpoot Chief placed his body between it and the gate
Page 125- Kayum Khan, the Mughal general of Ontala was killed while resisting the Rajput attack and the fort of Ontala fell in the hands of Amar Singh's men.
Narook (
talk)
09:55, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Amar Singh besieged the fort of Ontala from Mughals in 1599.
[1]1st
siege at Ontala , in Rajasthan , in Jahangier's time an elephant refused to push at a spiked gate , when a Rajpoot Chief placed his body between it and the gate
Page 125- Kayum Khan, the Mughal general of Ontala was killed while resisting the Rajput attack and the fort of Ontala fell in the hands of Amar Singh's men
siege of Untala, who, descending calmly from his elephant, placed his body on the spikes of the high portal, to serve as a cushion for the beast to push against...
Rana Amara Sing , who recovered Chitor after its last capture by Akbar , and the occasion was the attack on the fortress of Untala , whose ruins still Stand between Chittor and udaipurNarook (
talk)
10:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Most of the sources are unreliable and not verifiable. The deletion discussion is not a place to make questions against me. If you could do
WP:HEY. Go for it. But as long as there is no reliable sources calling it "Siege of Ontala", we can't keep this on mainspace. It's all about naming an event.
Imperial[AFCND]10:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Liz the Siege of ontala is also called as Siege of Untala
1 moving the page from Siege of Ontala to Siege of Untala would be a better idea
Narook (
talk)
06:02, 1 April 2024 (UTC)reply
•Keep- @
Tennisist123 @
Liz @
Spiderone I've quoted the sources mentioning Siege of Ontala below
Encyclopaedia Indica: Mughals and Rajputs (1999)Page 72:Siege of Ontala , the siege of which is famous for one of the most extraordinary exhibitions of Rajput courage recorded in the annals of Rajasthan . The right to lead the herole ( vanguard ) , which had for generations belonged to the Chondawats.
siege at Ontala , in Rajasthan , in Jehangier's time an elephant refused to push at a spiked gate , when a Rajpoot Chief placed his body between it and the gate ,
During the Siege of Untala and Sacrifice of Ballu The right to lead in battle was regarded as a sign of the greatest honour among the Rajputs . This honour was traditionally enjoyed by the Chundawats in Mewar . During the reign of Maharana Amar SinghNarook (
talk) 06:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
WP:SOCKSTRIKE.
Hey man im josh (
talk)
13:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
From my perspective, 1 and 2 are not admissible. 1. We should not be using encyclopedias as proof of notability. 2. Does not describe a proper noun, it describes that a siege occured at this place. The existence of a siege is not what is under discussion but whether the acton was commonly referred to as The Siege of Ontala.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: While I've struck the duplicate keep votes from a sock, there has not yet been enough participation (votes) to determine a consensus yet. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Hey man im josh (
talk)
13:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
It's mentioned at
List of battles in Rajasthan, does it make sense to redirect it there as an alternative to deletion? Typically I would expect this kind of topic to be discussed in a broader history article about the wider conflict, or in the article on the place/fort itself. But it doesn't look like we have an article for the fortress? --
asilvering (
talk)
03:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.