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The result was no consensus. Barkeep49 ( talk) 15:19, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NTOURS. Refs are a mix of routine coverage and band specific content. scope_creep Talk 19:13, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- The coverage is not “routine”, it is information from various journalists that attended the shows and reported on what took place, and how those shows resonated so deeply with the audience. Furthermore, other of my references go into detail on band history and such, pointing as to why the tour itself was as important as it was. Squishedargarine ( talk) 19:48, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Events. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:36, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - I was the one who added a notability tag and raised concerns on the talk page. Yes, there are some reliable sources that have reported on the tour, but I'm not sure it meets NTOUR's "Sources that merely establish that a tour happened are not sufficient to demonstrate notability" clause. Most sources are pretty basic "this tour is happening with this lineup" and most content is already better written at the respective band and album articles. I'm leaning towards it failing WP:MERGEREASON's redundancy clauses. Sergecross73 msg me 23:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:31, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect Article fails
WP:NTOUR and
WP:GNG. In my honest opinion, I would say that the tour would be at best, mentioned on the album article that the tour is in support of (minus the tour dates) as well as on the band's article.
HorrorLover555 (
talk)
20:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- The sources provided for the tour’s information pass WP:NTOUR given how in depth they go towards the band’s artistic choices on this tour, and the significance of it to the fanbase. As for WP:GNG, I fail to see how the article doesn’t check all of those boxes. Squishedargarine ( talk) 21:41, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cabayi ( talk) 09:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)- Would like to point out one more time that the sources for this article largely go in depth on the subject and provide detailed information on various aspects of this tour and its importance. Not to mention the overall importance of this tour, how it has affected the band since, and how much mainstream coverage/attention this tour was given.
Squishedargarine (
talk)
04:11, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- You have made your point., folk can read it. Your starting to WP:BLUDGEON folk. scope_creep Talk 07:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Would like to point out one more time that the sources for this article largely go in depth on the subject and provide detailed information on various aspects of this tour and its importance. Not to mention the overall importance of this tour, how it has affected the band since, and how much mainstream coverage/attention this tour was given.
Squishedargarine (
talk)
04:11, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment It is a carefully and well-written article (which a lot of time has gone into). I am not offended by it (there is no PROMO here as the tour is long done). There should be more discussion on the core refs that make (or break) this AfD. For example, this Smashing Pumpkins’ mammoth NYC ‘Shiny And Oh So Bright’ show is a nostalgic, emotional and full-hearted trip from NME seems good? Aszx5000 ( talk) 10:09, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Barkeep49 ( talk) 15:19, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NTOURS. Refs are a mix of routine coverage and band specific content. scope_creep Talk 19:13, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- The coverage is not “routine”, it is information from various journalists that attended the shows and reported on what took place, and how those shows resonated so deeply with the audience. Furthermore, other of my references go into detail on band history and such, pointing as to why the tour itself was as important as it was. Squishedargarine ( talk) 19:48, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Events. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:36, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - I was the one who added a notability tag and raised concerns on the talk page. Yes, there are some reliable sources that have reported on the tour, but I'm not sure it meets NTOUR's "Sources that merely establish that a tour happened are not sufficient to demonstrate notability" clause. Most sources are pretty basic "this tour is happening with this lineup" and most content is already better written at the respective band and album articles. I'm leaning towards it failing WP:MERGEREASON's redundancy clauses. Sergecross73 msg me 23:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:31, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect Article fails
WP:NTOUR and
WP:GNG. In my honest opinion, I would say that the tour would be at best, mentioned on the album article that the tour is in support of (minus the tour dates) as well as on the band's article.
HorrorLover555 (
talk)
20:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- The sources provided for the tour’s information pass WP:NTOUR given how in depth they go towards the band’s artistic choices on this tour, and the significance of it to the fanbase. As for WP:GNG, I fail to see how the article doesn’t check all of those boxes. Squishedargarine ( talk) 21:41, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cabayi ( talk) 09:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)- Would like to point out one more time that the sources for this article largely go in depth on the subject and provide detailed information on various aspects of this tour and its importance. Not to mention the overall importance of this tour, how it has affected the band since, and how much mainstream coverage/attention this tour was given.
Squishedargarine (
talk)
04:11, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- You have made your point., folk can read it. Your starting to WP:BLUDGEON folk. scope_creep Talk 07:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Would like to point out one more time that the sources for this article largely go in depth on the subject and provide detailed information on various aspects of this tour and its importance. Not to mention the overall importance of this tour, how it has affected the band since, and how much mainstream coverage/attention this tour was given.
Squishedargarine (
talk)
04:11, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment It is a carefully and well-written article (which a lot of time has gone into). I am not offended by it (there is no PROMO here as the tour is long done). There should be more discussion on the core refs that make (or break) this AfD. For example, this Smashing Pumpkins’ mammoth NYC ‘Shiny And Oh So Bright’ show is a nostalgic, emotional and full-hearted trip from NME seems good? Aszx5000 ( talk) 10:09, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.