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The result was redirect to Silverstein (band). ( non-admin closure) Rcsprinter123 (chatter) @ 15:52, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Shane Told
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I placed several maintenance tags on this article earlier this year with the hopes that someone might come along and fix the article. My primary concern was that the article failed WP:MUSBIO and WP:GNG criteria. After some time now, no one has taken it upon himself to attempt to prove the subject does in fact meet these guidelines, only multiple IPs removing the templates without explanation. I am still not convinced that the subject is notable, so I am opening up an AFD. Fezmar9 ( talk) 19:26, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
- Comment – Maybe you should have fixed it yourself instead of just putting up tags you utter nonce. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.219.79 ( talk) 19:53, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
- First, please read Wikipedia's policy on civility. Second, "fix" in this sense means to demonstrate that the subject meets the given guidelines through reliable, reputable, authoritative, published sources. I placed the tags on the page because this was not demonstrated on the article in its given state, and so interested parties could help demonstrate this to prevent deletion. I am not an interested party – I have no vested interest in the existence of an article about Shane Told. After more than half a year went by, and no one showed any interest in demonstrating notability, I took it upon myself to research the subject. What I found wasn't very convincing. A Google turned up some reputable sources, however, the focus of the content of these sources was about Silverstein, Told's band, and not Told himself. There didn't seem to be anything that would demonstrate Wikipedia's definition of notability, and simply being a member of a notable band isn't enough. So, I decided that notability could not be demonstrated and took the article here, to AFD, as is recommended by Wikipedia:Notability § Articles not satisfying the notability guidelines. Fezmar9 ( talk) 21:35, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
- @ 62.30.219.79:, Fezmar9 responded. -- Mr. Guye ( talk) 03:38, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
- Nobody on Wikipedia is required to "fix" an article they don't have enough personal familiarity with the topic to know how to fix. If you want the article to exist, 62, then you are the one who has the responsibility to fix it. And incidentally, you'll be saying hello to the business end of a 24-hour editblock if you call anybody else in this discussion a name ("nonce" or otherwise) again. Bearcat ( talk) 15:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- WP:NMUSIC does not confer an automatic notability freebie on a musician who is notable only as a member of a band, and is covered only within the context of that band. This article, as written, relies almost entirely on primary and unreliable sources — the only valid source being cited here is Alternative Press (citations 9, 10 and 11), and Told himself is not the subject of those citations, but is merely mentioned in passing within articles whose principal subject is the band. If that's the type of sourcing you're able to provide about a musician, then our inclusion rule is that until such time as somebody can write a proper article relying on proper sources, they get a redirect to the band and not a standalone article. Redirect to Silverstein (band). Bearcat ( talk) 15:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -Fimatic ( talk | contribs) 16:49, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 00:47, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 00:47, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to Silverstein (band). No individual notability, can be covered adequately in the article on the band. -- Michig ( talk) 08:22, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to Silverstein (band), primarily notable for his band. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 07:49, 27 December 2014 (UTC).
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Silverstein (band). ( non-admin closure) Rcsprinter123 (chatter) @ 15:52, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Shane Told
- Shane Told ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
I placed several maintenance tags on this article earlier this year with the hopes that someone might come along and fix the article. My primary concern was that the article failed WP:MUSBIO and WP:GNG criteria. After some time now, no one has taken it upon himself to attempt to prove the subject does in fact meet these guidelines, only multiple IPs removing the templates without explanation. I am still not convinced that the subject is notable, so I am opening up an AFD. Fezmar9 ( talk) 19:26, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
- Comment – Maybe you should have fixed it yourself instead of just putting up tags you utter nonce. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.219.79 ( talk) 19:53, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
- First, please read Wikipedia's policy on civility. Second, "fix" in this sense means to demonstrate that the subject meets the given guidelines through reliable, reputable, authoritative, published sources. I placed the tags on the page because this was not demonstrated on the article in its given state, and so interested parties could help demonstrate this to prevent deletion. I am not an interested party – I have no vested interest in the existence of an article about Shane Told. After more than half a year went by, and no one showed any interest in demonstrating notability, I took it upon myself to research the subject. What I found wasn't very convincing. A Google turned up some reputable sources, however, the focus of the content of these sources was about Silverstein, Told's band, and not Told himself. There didn't seem to be anything that would demonstrate Wikipedia's definition of notability, and simply being a member of a notable band isn't enough. So, I decided that notability could not be demonstrated and took the article here, to AFD, as is recommended by Wikipedia:Notability § Articles not satisfying the notability guidelines. Fezmar9 ( talk) 21:35, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
- @ 62.30.219.79:, Fezmar9 responded. -- Mr. Guye ( talk) 03:38, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
- Nobody on Wikipedia is required to "fix" an article they don't have enough personal familiarity with the topic to know how to fix. If you want the article to exist, 62, then you are the one who has the responsibility to fix it. And incidentally, you'll be saying hello to the business end of a 24-hour editblock if you call anybody else in this discussion a name ("nonce" or otherwise) again. Bearcat ( talk) 15:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- WP:NMUSIC does not confer an automatic notability freebie on a musician who is notable only as a member of a band, and is covered only within the context of that band. This article, as written, relies almost entirely on primary and unreliable sources — the only valid source being cited here is Alternative Press (citations 9, 10 and 11), and Told himself is not the subject of those citations, but is merely mentioned in passing within articles whose principal subject is the band. If that's the type of sourcing you're able to provide about a musician, then our inclusion rule is that until such time as somebody can write a proper article relying on proper sources, they get a redirect to the band and not a standalone article. Redirect to Silverstein (band). Bearcat ( talk) 15:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -Fimatic ( talk | contribs) 16:49, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. -Fimatic ( talk | contribs) 16:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 00:47, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 00:47, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to Silverstein (band). No individual notability, can be covered adequately in the article on the band. -- Michig ( talk) 08:22, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to Silverstein (band), primarily notable for his band. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 07:49, 27 December 2014 (UTC).
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.