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The result was keep. Nomination effectively withdrawn, with no delete proposals (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 ( talk) 20:42, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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This article looks like an attempt to retro-promote a short-lived local band as historically important, even though they received little notice when they were together or since, and only released about eight songs overall. Of the eight sources currently in the article, six are actually about other people and only mention this band in passing. They do have one reliable gig announcement at footnote #3 but that does not get too far beyond the routine. At footnote #8, it is true that one of their songs was mentioned by notable critic Dave Marsh, but he wrote just one sentence about it (see [1]). Otherwise nothing can be found on the band beyond self-created social media, the typical retail/streaming sites, and a few more brief mentions in articles about other people. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 18:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
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CAPTAIN RAJU
(T)
19:46, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- I wasn't thinking in terms of "retro-promotion" -- I simply found it interesting and significant that this band launched the careers of assorted musical figures who have authorized articles -- it's a useful element of their back story. This article explicitly acknowledges the band's scanty output. If I recall, I've seen some other information about how producers Paul Kolderie and Sean Slade actually learned their craft while in this band. That could be helpful.
Rory1262 (
talk)
20:54, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- Found and added two citations about how Kolderie and Slade did indeed begin to learn about producing as a direct result of being in the band. Rory1262 ( talk) 21:28, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- I wasn't thinking in terms of "retro-promotion" -- I simply found it interesting and significant that this band launched the careers of assorted musical figures who have authorized articles -- it's a useful element of their back story. This article explicitly acknowledges the band's scanty output. If I recall, I've seen some other information about how producers Paul Kolderie and Sean Slade actually learned their craft while in this band. That could be helpful.
Rory1262 (
talk)
20:54, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The sourcing is eh, not great but not non-existent, more importantly it passes No. 6 of WP:Musicbio, which requires that it be an "ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians." OhioShmyo ( talk) 22:34, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- MUSICBIO #6 is the only notability criterion approached by this band, and even that is a bit of a stretch because those members became (apparently) notable long after they were in the band. There is no problem briefly mentioning this band as a historical episode at each guy's personal article. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
Talk|
Contribs)
23:25, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think the "apparently" qualifier is in order. The members did in fact become notable...and the gap wasn't that long after the Sex Execs became defunct. The main thrust is that this band directly helped notable careers germinate. Rory1262 ( talk) 01:15, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- The band also meets another criterion of
WP:Musicbio: "has won first, second or third place in a major music competition" -- unless the Boston Rock 'n' Roll Rumble does not qualify. Considering the band they beat (Del Fuegos) and the band that won ('Til Tuesday), and the presence of an entry for the competition, I submit that it does.
Rory1262 (
talk)
01:28, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- Reinforced the lead to make the point more clearly about the formative production experience for Kolderie and Slade. Rory1262 ( talk) 11:18, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- MUSICBIO #6 is the only notability criterion approached by this band, and even that is a bit of a stretch because those members became (apparently) notable long after they were in the band. There is no problem briefly mentioning this band as a historical episode at each guy's personal article. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
Talk|
Contribs)
23:25, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 00:31, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - It's slim but I think User:OhioShmyo is on-point with it passing WP:MUSICBIO #6. FOARP ( talk) 09:31, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep There have been significant improvements to the article since the AfD began, and notability seems well-established to me. Thanks to OhioShmyo. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:29, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment from Nominator - If any Admin happens to see this before the time is up on the relisting, the article has been improved since the nomination so I have no objection to keeping it. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 14:16, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Nomination effectively withdrawn, with no delete proposals (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 ( talk) 20:42, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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This article looks like an attempt to retro-promote a short-lived local band as historically important, even though they received little notice when they were together or since, and only released about eight songs overall. Of the eight sources currently in the article, six are actually about other people and only mention this band in passing. They do have one reliable gig announcement at footnote #3 but that does not get too far beyond the routine. At footnote #8, it is true that one of their songs was mentioned by notable critic Dave Marsh, but he wrote just one sentence about it (see [1]). Otherwise nothing can be found on the band beyond self-created social media, the typical retail/streaming sites, and a few more brief mentions in articles about other people. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 18:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 18:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions.
CAPTAIN RAJU
(T)
19:46, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- I wasn't thinking in terms of "retro-promotion" -- I simply found it interesting and significant that this band launched the careers of assorted musical figures who have authorized articles -- it's a useful element of their back story. This article explicitly acknowledges the band's scanty output. If I recall, I've seen some other information about how producers Paul Kolderie and Sean Slade actually learned their craft while in this band. That could be helpful.
Rory1262 (
talk)
20:54, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- Found and added two citations about how Kolderie and Slade did indeed begin to learn about producing as a direct result of being in the band. Rory1262 ( talk) 21:28, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- I wasn't thinking in terms of "retro-promotion" -- I simply found it interesting and significant that this band launched the careers of assorted musical figures who have authorized articles -- it's a useful element of their back story. This article explicitly acknowledges the band's scanty output. If I recall, I've seen some other information about how producers Paul Kolderie and Sean Slade actually learned their craft while in this band. That could be helpful.
Rory1262 (
talk)
20:54, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The sourcing is eh, not great but not non-existent, more importantly it passes No. 6 of WP:Musicbio, which requires that it be an "ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians." OhioShmyo ( talk) 22:34, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- MUSICBIO #6 is the only notability criterion approached by this band, and even that is a bit of a stretch because those members became (apparently) notable long after they were in the band. There is no problem briefly mentioning this band as a historical episode at each guy's personal article. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
Talk|
Contribs)
23:25, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think the "apparently" qualifier is in order. The members did in fact become notable...and the gap wasn't that long after the Sex Execs became defunct. The main thrust is that this band directly helped notable careers germinate. Rory1262 ( talk) 01:15, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- The band also meets another criterion of
WP:Musicbio: "has won first, second or third place in a major music competition" -- unless the Boston Rock 'n' Roll Rumble does not qualify. Considering the band they beat (Del Fuegos) and the band that won ('Til Tuesday), and the presence of an entry for the competition, I submit that it does.
Rory1262 (
talk)
01:28, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- Reinforced the lead to make the point more clearly about the formative production experience for Kolderie and Slade. Rory1262 ( talk) 11:18, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- MUSICBIO #6 is the only notability criterion approached by this band, and even that is a bit of a stretch because those members became (apparently) notable long after they were in the band. There is no problem briefly mentioning this band as a historical episode at each guy's personal article. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
Talk|
Contribs)
23:25, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 00:31, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - It's slim but I think User:OhioShmyo is on-point with it passing WP:MUSICBIO #6. FOARP ( talk) 09:31, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep There have been significant improvements to the article since the AfD began, and notability seems well-established to me. Thanks to OhioShmyo. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:29, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment from Nominator - If any Admin happens to see this before the time is up on the relisting, the article has been improved since the nomination so I have no objection to keeping it. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 14:16, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.