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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 14:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Samate language
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This is a partial hoax (nothing points to it being an isolate), and Peta Bahasa isn't known for its reliability. Not much shows up in search engines. In fact, "Samate" is another name for Ma'ya (going by "Word-prosodic systems of Raja Ampat languages", 2001, p. 14). Semmiii ( talk) 14:32, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete not 100 percent sure on it's hoaxness, but what I can see is that its notability is not up to Wikipedia's standards. Fails WP:GNG. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 14:35, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language and Indonesia. Shellwood ( talk) 15:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, then redirect to the unrelated Ma'ya language per nom. (Not helped by the lack of an ISO 639-3 code, a red flag in itself.) -- Slgrandson ( How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 18:59, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete this is the second article on an Indonesian language I’ve come across today by the same creator, with very inadequate sourcing. Not sure if theyre hoaxes exactly, or just leaps of the imagination. Mccapra ( talk) 19:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect to Ma'ya language. As mentioned in the source cited by the OP ( here's a link to it), Ma'ya (including dialects) is often referred to by the place that it is spoken at. Bahasa Samate is the variety spoken in the village Samate on Salawati Island. In ISO 639-3, Ma'ya is split into four varieties, the dialect in Samate is included in "Salawati" [slz].
- @ Mccapra: Believe me, this is indeed not an isolated occurrence with this page creator. They have long a history of producing articles about spurious languages and ethnic groups bordering on hoaxes, probably created in good faith, but with a very poor grasp about what they're reading in the sources. I mean, saying that a language variety is an isolate when it scores 95% lexical similarity with neighboring lects is sheer cluelessness. Last month, I PROD-ed two of their creations ( Vanimo Malay and Poso Pesisir people). I know, this is not place for it, but this cries for a TBAN or at least making it compulsory for them to go through the draft submission process. – Austronesier ( talk) 19:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per Austronesier, and support restrictions on creator. JarrahTree 02:17, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 14:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Samate language
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- Samate language ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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This is a partial hoax (nothing points to it being an isolate), and Peta Bahasa isn't known for its reliability. Not much shows up in search engines. In fact, "Samate" is another name for Ma'ya (going by "Word-prosodic systems of Raja Ampat languages", 2001, p. 14). Semmiii ( talk) 14:32, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete not 100 percent sure on it's hoaxness, but what I can see is that its notability is not up to Wikipedia's standards. Fails WP:GNG. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 14:35, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language and Indonesia. Shellwood ( talk) 15:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, then redirect to the unrelated Ma'ya language per nom. (Not helped by the lack of an ISO 639-3 code, a red flag in itself.) -- Slgrandson ( How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 18:59, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete this is the second article on an Indonesian language I’ve come across today by the same creator, with very inadequate sourcing. Not sure if theyre hoaxes exactly, or just leaps of the imagination. Mccapra ( talk) 19:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect to Ma'ya language. As mentioned in the source cited by the OP ( here's a link to it), Ma'ya (including dialects) is often referred to by the place that it is spoken at. Bahasa Samate is the variety spoken in the village Samate on Salawati Island. In ISO 639-3, Ma'ya is split into four varieties, the dialect in Samate is included in "Salawati" [slz].
- @ Mccapra: Believe me, this is indeed not an isolated occurrence with this page creator. They have long a history of producing articles about spurious languages and ethnic groups bordering on hoaxes, probably created in good faith, but with a very poor grasp about what they're reading in the sources. I mean, saying that a language variety is an isolate when it scores 95% lexical similarity with neighboring lects is sheer cluelessness. Last month, I PROD-ed two of their creations ( Vanimo Malay and Poso Pesisir people). I know, this is not place for it, but this cries for a TBAN or at least making it compulsory for them to go through the draft submission process. – Austronesier ( talk) 19:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per Austronesier, and support restrictions on creator. JarrahTree 02:17, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
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