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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 07:30, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NMUSIC, does not demonstrate notability, there is a lack of independent sources, and the article is nothing more than a track listing. WikiSmartLife ( talk) 03:22, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I don't want to claim that I know everything, but I'm pretty sure that this article is notable based on our guidelines. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to work on it over the past two months, but that doesn't mean that independent sources do not exist. This page has place for improvement. To be more specific, searching the topic on Google brings up articles by famous Turkish newspapers Hürriyet, Milliyet, and Habertürk. So in my opinion, it can be improved, and there's no need to delete it. Keivan.f Talk 04:22, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Comment on the comment An article needs to demonstrate notability. Just stating that there's scope for improving it isn't enough.
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05:23, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- I'm talking about the possible ways this article can be improved. But, of course, since I'm the only person here who can read in Turkish and happens to be the article's creator, it will be up to me to work on it, unless someone familiar with the language decides to help. Keivan.f Talk 10:50, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Comment on the comment An article needs to demonstrate notability. Just stating that there's scope for improving it isn't enough.
Schwede
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05:23, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
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- Also, don't forget that this article has a big lack of sources, and does not demonstrate notability. I am unsure of whether Turkish newspapers such as the ones Keivan.f mentioned are reliable sources. To better understand this, we need to analyse WP:NEWSORG and see whether those are good ones to mention as references. If they are, this article could improve with more reliable sources. If they aren't, we need to find more reliable sources to look at. With thanks, WikiSmartLife ( talk) 06:16, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- I checked the references, one is the album's page on Sony Music Turkey, one is an online music shop, and the other is the album on Apple Music. This demonstrates a very big lack of reliable sources, like I have mentioned repeatedly, and we need major improvements on not only that but the article itself and its notability. Currently it is just a track listing with 3 sources, all associated with music and media. WikiSmartLife ( talk) 06:23, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- I now checked WP:NALBUM, and we need to find additional sources to fit this. WikiSmartLife ( talk) 06:51, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Let me make something clear. Just like The New York Times and The Washington Post, newspapers that publish works written by well-known writers could be used as references. That's why I didn't mention a Turkish tabloid or magazine to be used as a source of information for this article. Keivan.f Talk 10:50, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- @ Keivan.f: I was just saying that because the article has a lack of references. If those papers were notable enough to be used as references, they would have made good references. WikiSmartLife ( talk) 11:07, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- OK. I see what I can do about it. I'll work on the article as soon as I get some free time. Keivan.f Talk 13:58, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- I added a few 'independent' sources for now, using some of the articles found in the Turkish newspapers. Keivan.f Talk 03:00, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:29, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep Sourced to three national daily newspapers that describe it at length, so notable. Mccapra ( talk) 03:44, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It remains unclear if the Turkish sources are reliable sources. Giving it another week to allow such a discussion to take place.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MrClog ( talk) 18:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Relisting comment: It remains unclear if the Turkish sources are reliable sources. Giving it another week to allow such a discussion to take place.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MrClog ( talk) 18:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- This discussion is very inactive. What are people's thoughts? WikiSmartLife ( talk) 15:34, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 07:30, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NMUSIC, does not demonstrate notability, there is a lack of independent sources, and the article is nothing more than a track listing. WikiSmartLife ( talk) 03:22, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I don't want to claim that I know everything, but I'm pretty sure that this article is notable based on our guidelines. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to work on it over the past two months, but that doesn't mean that independent sources do not exist. This page has place for improvement. To be more specific, searching the topic on Google brings up articles by famous Turkish newspapers Hürriyet, Milliyet, and Habertürk. So in my opinion, it can be improved, and there's no need to delete it. Keivan.f Talk 04:22, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Comment on the comment An article needs to demonstrate notability. Just stating that there's scope for improving it isn't enough.
Schwede
66
05:23, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- I'm talking about the possible ways this article can be improved. But, of course, since I'm the only person here who can read in Turkish and happens to be the article's creator, it will be up to me to work on it, unless someone familiar with the language decides to help. Keivan.f Talk 10:50, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Comment on the comment An article needs to demonstrate notability. Just stating that there's scope for improving it isn't enough.
Schwede
66
05:23, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cyprus-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
list of Music-related deletion discussions.
CAPTAIN RAJU
(T)
05:35, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Also, don't forget that this article has a big lack of sources, and does not demonstrate notability. I am unsure of whether Turkish newspapers such as the ones Keivan.f mentioned are reliable sources. To better understand this, we need to analyse WP:NEWSORG and see whether those are good ones to mention as references. If they are, this article could improve with more reliable sources. If they aren't, we need to find more reliable sources to look at. With thanks, WikiSmartLife ( talk) 06:16, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- I checked the references, one is the album's page on Sony Music Turkey, one is an online music shop, and the other is the album on Apple Music. This demonstrates a very big lack of reliable sources, like I have mentioned repeatedly, and we need major improvements on not only that but the article itself and its notability. Currently it is just a track listing with 3 sources, all associated with music and media. WikiSmartLife ( talk) 06:23, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- I now checked WP:NALBUM, and we need to find additional sources to fit this. WikiSmartLife ( talk) 06:51, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Let me make something clear. Just like The New York Times and The Washington Post, newspapers that publish works written by well-known writers could be used as references. That's why I didn't mention a Turkish tabloid or magazine to be used as a source of information for this article. Keivan.f Talk 10:50, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- @ Keivan.f: I was just saying that because the article has a lack of references. If those papers were notable enough to be used as references, they would have made good references. WikiSmartLife ( talk) 11:07, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- OK. I see what I can do about it. I'll work on the article as soon as I get some free time. Keivan.f Talk 13:58, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- I added a few 'independent' sources for now, using some of the articles found in the Turkish newspapers. Keivan.f Talk 03:00, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:29, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 09:29, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Sourced to three national daily newspapers that describe it at length, so notable. Mccapra ( talk) 03:44, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It remains unclear if the Turkish sources are reliable sources. Giving it another week to allow such a discussion to take place.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MrClog ( talk) 18:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Relisting comment: It remains unclear if the Turkish sources are reliable sources. Giving it another week to allow such a discussion to take place.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MrClog ( talk) 18:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- This discussion is very inactive. What are people's thoughts? WikiSmartLife ( talk) 15:34, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.