- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Sandstein 19:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Saber (artist)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Saber (artist) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Not notable Biography of Living Person, no substantial sources, shows. No doubt, dude's a dope graf writer, but that doesn't make someone Wikipedia notable. So many examples of this. His career is kinda invisible after the LA river piece tbh Guard Dog One ( talk) 01:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Artists, and California. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 03:00, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Just because he was active before the Internet was widespread doesn't mean he's not notable. A simple search on ProQuest turned up tons of sources: [1] [2] [3]. Primary sources also seem to repeat the quote from this Washington Post article [4] a lot. If you need help accessing any of these sources, please let me know, although you may have access through the Wikipedia Library. Toadspike ( talk) 21:46, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I added the subject's full name, which was easy to find, added content with 3 sources and fleshed out the article a bit. The subject has received wide acclaim for his mural work, including as mentioned above, from The Washington Post. Clearly meets
WP:GNG, passes
WP:BIO and
WP:BASIC, as well as
WP:ARTIST. -
AuthorAuthor (
talk)
18:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- I actually can't see those links, another account to set I guess. I don't see a lot of artist's pages with so little on them or with 'review' sections. To me the very fact his graffiti buddy started the page for him and there was so little it looked like a fluff piece. You all are saying there's tons and has wide acclaim, I guess. As I said he's a dope graffiti writer. Not seeing much else though
Guard Dog One (
talk)
17:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- I just noticed that the first source is a gallery selling his work. Is that good enough as a source?
Guard Dog One (
talk)
17:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- The article is also sourced with refs from POLITICO, Juxtapoz magazine, the Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, Glendale News-Press and KCET TV, all reliable sources and all of which show the subject's notability. -
AuthorAuthor (
talk)
22:24, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Juxtapoz for sure is covering him, I get that. Other articles look to mention him in passing though. And where is this famous Washington Post thing? I said from the beginning he hasn't done much since LA river, so does that count then if he has one big thing? Seems super skimpy for an artist page and still for a graff writer, though you've fattened up a bit in this process.
Guard Dog One (
talk)
05:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- In 2004, the subject recreated the 1997 LA River mural for a Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County exhibit; in 2010 he was a finalist in a national health-care video contest; in 2011 he skywrote using 5 airplanes in protest of a mural moratorium, which was covered by the media, including KCET; in 2018 he was one of 100 artists featured in the book Can Art Aid in Resolving Conflicts? 100 Perspectives. Dismissing the coverage and latest work with "he hasn't done much since LA river," which was 1997, is inaccurate based on notable references of reliable sources which are now included in the subject's article. The "Washington Post thing" has been quoted in several reliable publications as well as in a book. AuthorAuthor ( talk) 20:51, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Juxtapoz for sure is covering him, I get that. Other articles look to mention him in passing though. And where is this famous Washington Post thing? I said from the beginning he hasn't done much since LA river, so does that count then if he has one big thing? Seems super skimpy for an artist page and still for a graff writer, though you've fattened up a bit in this process.
Guard Dog One (
talk)
05:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- The article is also sourced with refs from POLITICO, Juxtapoz magazine, the Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, Glendale News-Press and KCET TV, all reliable sources and all of which show the subject's notability. -
AuthorAuthor (
talk)
22:24, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- I just noticed that the first source is a gallery selling his work. Is that good enough as a source?
Guard Dog One (
talk)
17:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- I actually can't see those links, another account to set I guess. I don't see a lot of artist's pages with so little on them or with 'review' sections. To me the very fact his graffiti buddy started the page for him and there was so little it looked like a fluff piece. You all are saying there's tons and has wide acclaim, I guess. As I said he's a dope graffiti writer. Not seeing much else though
Guard Dog One (
talk)
17:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:36, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Article has been much improved since original listing, appears now to meet GNG. Lirazelf ( talk) 15:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep WP:HEY clearly met. -- GRuban ( talk) 18:22, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Sandstein 19:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Saber (artist)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Saber (artist) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Not notable Biography of Living Person, no substantial sources, shows. No doubt, dude's a dope graf writer, but that doesn't make someone Wikipedia notable. So many examples of this. His career is kinda invisible after the LA river piece tbh Guard Dog One ( talk) 01:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Artists, and California. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 03:00, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Just because he was active before the Internet was widespread doesn't mean he's not notable. A simple search on ProQuest turned up tons of sources: [1] [2] [3]. Primary sources also seem to repeat the quote from this Washington Post article [4] a lot. If you need help accessing any of these sources, please let me know, although you may have access through the Wikipedia Library. Toadspike ( talk) 21:46, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I added the subject's full name, which was easy to find, added content with 3 sources and fleshed out the article a bit. The subject has received wide acclaim for his mural work, including as mentioned above, from The Washington Post. Clearly meets
WP:GNG, passes
WP:BIO and
WP:BASIC, as well as
WP:ARTIST. -
AuthorAuthor (
talk)
18:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- I actually can't see those links, another account to set I guess. I don't see a lot of artist's pages with so little on them or with 'review' sections. To me the very fact his graffiti buddy started the page for him and there was so little it looked like a fluff piece. You all are saying there's tons and has wide acclaim, I guess. As I said he's a dope graffiti writer. Not seeing much else though
Guard Dog One (
talk)
17:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- I just noticed that the first source is a gallery selling his work. Is that good enough as a source?
Guard Dog One (
talk)
17:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- The article is also sourced with refs from POLITICO, Juxtapoz magazine, the Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, Glendale News-Press and KCET TV, all reliable sources and all of which show the subject's notability. -
AuthorAuthor (
talk)
22:24, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Juxtapoz for sure is covering him, I get that. Other articles look to mention him in passing though. And where is this famous Washington Post thing? I said from the beginning he hasn't done much since LA river, so does that count then if he has one big thing? Seems super skimpy for an artist page and still for a graff writer, though you've fattened up a bit in this process.
Guard Dog One (
talk)
05:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- In 2004, the subject recreated the 1997 LA River mural for a Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County exhibit; in 2010 he was a finalist in a national health-care video contest; in 2011 he skywrote using 5 airplanes in protest of a mural moratorium, which was covered by the media, including KCET; in 2018 he was one of 100 artists featured in the book Can Art Aid in Resolving Conflicts? 100 Perspectives. Dismissing the coverage and latest work with "he hasn't done much since LA river," which was 1997, is inaccurate based on notable references of reliable sources which are now included in the subject's article. The "Washington Post thing" has been quoted in several reliable publications as well as in a book. AuthorAuthor ( talk) 20:51, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Juxtapoz for sure is covering him, I get that. Other articles look to mention him in passing though. And where is this famous Washington Post thing? I said from the beginning he hasn't done much since LA river, so does that count then if he has one big thing? Seems super skimpy for an artist page and still for a graff writer, though you've fattened up a bit in this process.
Guard Dog One (
talk)
05:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- The article is also sourced with refs from POLITICO, Juxtapoz magazine, the Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, Glendale News-Press and KCET TV, all reliable sources and all of which show the subject's notability. -
AuthorAuthor (
talk)
22:24, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- I just noticed that the first source is a gallery selling his work. Is that good enough as a source?
Guard Dog One (
talk)
17:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- I actually can't see those links, another account to set I guess. I don't see a lot of artist's pages with so little on them or with 'review' sections. To me the very fact his graffiti buddy started the page for him and there was so little it looked like a fluff piece. You all are saying there's tons and has wide acclaim, I guess. As I said he's a dope graffiti writer. Not seeing much else though
Guard Dog One (
talk)
17:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:36, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Article has been much improved since original listing, appears now to meet GNG. Lirazelf ( talk) 15:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep WP:HEY clearly met. -- GRuban ( talk) 18:22, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.