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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 18:33, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
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I'm not sure what this is/was, but I don't think it's notable. Rennick calls it a locale in his index, and locales generally fail WP:GEOLAND, as the term usually refers to places without a permanent human population. It's unclear if the name on the topos is referring to a cluster of two buildings or a river crossing further east with no buildings; coordinates suggest the former. I finally got approved for newspapers.com through WP:LIBRARY, and all the results I can find are for Ross Crossing Road, which is east of the coordinates given. The only meaningful Google Books hits I could find are things like this, which call it a locale, but with no explanation (possibly the same thing as Rennick's index). Ballard County's website calls is a "community" with no explanation, but it also calls Turner Landing a community, and see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turner Landing, Kentucky for why the latter place is not a notable community per wiki standards. There's a livestock well nearby. The weight of the sources suggests a locale, which fails WP:GEOLAND, and a good-faith hunt for coverage to prove WP:GNG passage turns up no significant coverage, so it looks like whatever this is/was is non-notable. Hog Farm Bacon 23:20, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 23:20, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 23:20, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:50, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 14:16, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - Not saying it has any significance whatsoever but it is in the vicinity of Clinton and Columbus [1] which is one of the overland routes the Cherokee took to Oklahoma under the overall guidance of Principal Chief John Ross. There are other historical landmarks bearing his name (Ross Landing is one), however I do not see where there is any historical marker near this location so it may very well be a colloquial use or named in honor of Ross at this crossing. There is mention of land, possibly owned by Ross' father in Kentucky at the confluence of the Tennessee and Ohio River which is just north and east of Ross Crossing in Paducah, KY [2]. Could be that it has something to do with that. I agree the sources are scarce and it's hard to say but I don't see where there was or is a "town" or "village" by this name. -- Tsistunagiska ( talk) 16:29, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Hog Farm: If you want a history lesson in regards to John Ross and the area this is a good read, "New exhibits explain Cherokees’ difficulty crossing Mississippi River". I'm not saying it saves this article but it does show why the Ross name may have stayed with those in the area. Cairo is very close to where this road/community is located. Cheers! -- Tsistunagiska ( talk) 13:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete No evidence this qualifies as a place under WP:GNG or WP:GEOLAND. Any of the information that Tsistunagiska proposes above would be better placed in an article about Ross the person. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 07:11, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- @ Eggishorn: I find that last comment to be a bit unnecessary. I never said the article should be kept. I know how much Hog Farm loves to research because of their comments and discussions and this was fascinating to look for. Had I said the information belonged in this article then your comment would be valid. I addressed Hog Farm and mentioned they may like to read it, regardless, have a nice day. :) -- Tsistunagiska ( talk) 12:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete No indication of being notable. scope_creep Talk 12:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 18:33, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
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I'm not sure what this is/was, but I don't think it's notable. Rennick calls it a locale in his index, and locales generally fail WP:GEOLAND, as the term usually refers to places without a permanent human population. It's unclear if the name on the topos is referring to a cluster of two buildings or a river crossing further east with no buildings; coordinates suggest the former. I finally got approved for newspapers.com through WP:LIBRARY, and all the results I can find are for Ross Crossing Road, which is east of the coordinates given. The only meaningful Google Books hits I could find are things like this, which call it a locale, but with no explanation (possibly the same thing as Rennick's index). Ballard County's website calls is a "community" with no explanation, but it also calls Turner Landing a community, and see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turner Landing, Kentucky for why the latter place is not a notable community per wiki standards. There's a livestock well nearby. The weight of the sources suggests a locale, which fails WP:GEOLAND, and a good-faith hunt for coverage to prove WP:GNG passage turns up no significant coverage, so it looks like whatever this is/was is non-notable. Hog Farm Bacon 23:20, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 23:20, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 23:20, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:50, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 14:16, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - Not saying it has any significance whatsoever but it is in the vicinity of Clinton and Columbus [1] which is one of the overland routes the Cherokee took to Oklahoma under the overall guidance of Principal Chief John Ross. There are other historical landmarks bearing his name (Ross Landing is one), however I do not see where there is any historical marker near this location so it may very well be a colloquial use or named in honor of Ross at this crossing. There is mention of land, possibly owned by Ross' father in Kentucky at the confluence of the Tennessee and Ohio River which is just north and east of Ross Crossing in Paducah, KY [2]. Could be that it has something to do with that. I agree the sources are scarce and it's hard to say but I don't see where there was or is a "town" or "village" by this name. -- Tsistunagiska ( talk) 16:29, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Hog Farm: If you want a history lesson in regards to John Ross and the area this is a good read, "New exhibits explain Cherokees’ difficulty crossing Mississippi River". I'm not saying it saves this article but it does show why the Ross name may have stayed with those in the area. Cairo is very close to where this road/community is located. Cheers! -- Tsistunagiska ( talk) 13:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete No evidence this qualifies as a place under WP:GNG or WP:GEOLAND. Any of the information that Tsistunagiska proposes above would be better placed in an article about Ross the person. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 07:11, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- @ Eggishorn: I find that last comment to be a bit unnecessary. I never said the article should be kept. I know how much Hog Farm loves to research because of their comments and discussions and this was fascinating to look for. Had I said the information belonged in this article then your comment would be valid. I addressed Hog Farm and mentioned they may like to read it, regardless, have a nice day. :) -- Tsistunagiska ( talk) 12:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete No indication of being notable. scope_creep Talk 12:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.