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The result was delete. Consensus is that sourcing is insufficient. If someone wants this to work on in draft, just let me know. Star Mississippi 15:29, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Rodney Elliot (footballer)
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Elliot made 26 appearances in the Eerste Divisie over two seasons. A web search finds hardly anything and certainly no WP:SIGCOV. There may be offline sources but it seems doubtful to me. The article fails WP:GNG. Robby.is.on ( talk) 23:37, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. The article fails to comply with WP:GNG as it lacks a minimum amount of independent sources with significant coverage. The player also doesn't seem to have trophies, which puts WP:SNG off. ✍A.WagnerC ( talk) 01:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- This reasoning violates WP:NEXIST. gidonb ( talk) 20:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Netherlands. Hey man im josh ( talk) 01:23, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:52, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. I have expanded the article just a bit. This AfD is part of a mass nomination of Dutch footballers for which newspaper articles are no longer available online, while not quite included yet in the national newspaper archive. The statement
There may be offline sources but it seems doubtful to me
underestimates the central place of football in the Netherlands and the ability of Dutch media to cover it, to put it mildly. gidonb ( talk) 02:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- Is there a searchable online archive for Dutch newspapers at all?
Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
19:49, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- User talk:Spiderone, there sure is. It's called Delpher. Nominator structurally AfDd articles that fall into the lull between the newspapers online and the national archive. There are also regional archives that can archive newer newspapers, so for a few regions we can still find articles even if the career was in the 1990s and 2000s. Or they may have been covered out of region as the regional newspapers also carry national and international news, while focusing on the regional news. As proven at the sibling AfDs, these articles are notable and the AfDs address a vulnarability, rather than notability problem. gidonb ( talk) 19:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Is there a searchable online archive for Dutch newspapers at all?
Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
19:49, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- It is proven under Jeroen van Wetten that these footballers are notable. These are gotcha nominations, while sources are temporarily offline, also snubbing the Dutch. These AfDs cause long-term damage to WP because they blow an artificial - nonnotability based - hole in our coverage. gidonb ( talk) 15:51, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - Per Gidonb. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 16:15, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We're evenly split here with two on each side of the fence. Relisting, hoping to garner consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti *Let's talk!* 10:30, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Article fails WP:GNG as the only coverage available is routine match reports and database entries. Jogurney ( talk) 13:57, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. The required sourcing has not been identified for even a presumption of GNG. Dutch sportsperson bios can wait until a person with access to the newspaper archives can actually assess coverage, just like we do for any other topic with inaccessible potential sourcing. JoelleJay ( talk) 20:36, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Consensus is that sourcing is insufficient. If someone wants this to work on in draft, just let me know. Star Mississippi 15:29, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Rodney Elliot (footballer)
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Elliot made 26 appearances in the Eerste Divisie over two seasons. A web search finds hardly anything and certainly no WP:SIGCOV. There may be offline sources but it seems doubtful to me. The article fails WP:GNG. Robby.is.on ( talk) 23:37, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. The article fails to comply with WP:GNG as it lacks a minimum amount of independent sources with significant coverage. The player also doesn't seem to have trophies, which puts WP:SNG off. ✍A.WagnerC ( talk) 01:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- This reasoning violates WP:NEXIST. gidonb ( talk) 20:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Netherlands. Hey man im josh ( talk) 01:23, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:52, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. I have expanded the article just a bit. This AfD is part of a mass nomination of Dutch footballers for which newspaper articles are no longer available online, while not quite included yet in the national newspaper archive. The statement
There may be offline sources but it seems doubtful to me
underestimates the central place of football in the Netherlands and the ability of Dutch media to cover it, to put it mildly. gidonb ( talk) 02:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- Is there a searchable online archive for Dutch newspapers at all?
Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
19:49, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- User talk:Spiderone, there sure is. It's called Delpher. Nominator structurally AfDd articles that fall into the lull between the newspapers online and the national archive. There are also regional archives that can archive newer newspapers, so for a few regions we can still find articles even if the career was in the 1990s and 2000s. Or they may have been covered out of region as the regional newspapers also carry national and international news, while focusing on the regional news. As proven at the sibling AfDs, these articles are notable and the AfDs address a vulnarability, rather than notability problem. gidonb ( talk) 19:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Is there a searchable online archive for Dutch newspapers at all?
Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
19:49, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- It is proven under Jeroen van Wetten that these footballers are notable. These are gotcha nominations, while sources are temporarily offline, also snubbing the Dutch. These AfDs cause long-term damage to WP because they blow an artificial - nonnotability based - hole in our coverage. gidonb ( talk) 15:51, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - Per Gidonb. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 16:15, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We're evenly split here with two on each side of the fence. Relisting, hoping to garner consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti *Let's talk!* 10:30, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Article fails WP:GNG as the only coverage available is routine match reports and database entries. Jogurney ( talk) 13:57, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. The required sourcing has not been identified for even a presumption of GNG. Dutch sportsperson bios can wait until a person with access to the newspaper archives can actually assess coverage, just like we do for any other topic with inaccessible potential sourcing. JoelleJay ( talk) 20:36, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.