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I'm struggling to find any secondary reliable sourcing on the subject. This appears to be a non-notable academic. There are 7 criteria for academic notability (
WP:NACADEMIC) and the subject doesn't meet any of them as far as I can tell:
[1] .
Snooganssnoogans (
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17:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)reply
keep, has multiple reviews such as "Social Service Review, Vol. 82, No. 2 (June 2008), pp. 335-338", "Contemporary Sociology, Vol. 19, No. 6 (Nov., 1990), pp. 809-81", etc. passes
WP:NAUTHOR and probably also
WP:NPROF since these are reviews in academic journals. --
hroest20:36, 8 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Doesn't that fall under the exceptions under Point 1 of (
WP:NACADEMIC)? Virtually every academic who has published books in the social sciences will have at least some reviews of some of those books.
Snooganssnoogans (
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20:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Honestly, I dont know how difficult it is to get a review into an academic journal as I am a biomedical researcher. Do you mean "Reviews of the person's work, published in selective academic publications, can be considered together with ordinary citations here." -- on the other hand we generally allow authors to be notable per
WP:NAUTHOR if they have multiple independent reviews of their books, so according to
WP:NAUTHOR alone he would be notable, correct? --
hroest00:42, 9 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Piotrus What about clause 3 of
WP:AUTHOR, treating it as a "collective body of work"? I admit I've not looked for other reviews beyond these 2, as I assumed these were sufficient. But I think
hroest said he found more. Plus the named professorship mentioned below under
WP:NPROF. -
Kj cheetham (
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11:00, 11 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Piotrus that does not seem to be a good faith argument, if there were only a single relevant book then
WP:BLP1E would apply but clearly if someone wrote multiple notable books then that person is also notable. This is also clear in policy see
WP:AUTHOR#1. In addition the person also clearly fulfills
WP:NPROF#1 and
WP:NPROF#5. It this point the evidence is just overwhelming. --
hroest15:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)reply
keep Google Scholar shows a good amount of citations, in thousands, so he meets
WP:PROF.
Webmaster862 (
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Weak delete'. While I think we need to be more inclusive for academics, I can't see what makes him notable. No awards, no indication his work is impactful. It seems he wrote a single book but I failed to locate a single academic review of it. I'd be happy to reconsider my vote if anyone pings me and shows me sources that describe his life, impact, work, or such. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here03:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Kj cheetham, I still don't believe the reviews of their books are relevant but named professorship is listed at NPROF. Now, the subject still fails NBIO/GNG, but that has hardly stopped the torrent flood of bios about sportspeople who meet some specialized NSPORTBIO defended by several fans. So I am withdrawing my deletion vote, not because I believe the subject is notable, but because I think we need to be more inclusive for academics in general. Treat my abstain / rationale however you will. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here06:09, 12 April 2021 (UTC)reply
comment hmm it works for me, but only if logged in through a University. Sorry about that, I usually dont use JSTOR and it seems to be only semi-public unfortunately. In either case, I see 29 results and easily several book reviews. Some of these are by Cherry himself, and at least one is about a book by a different Robert Cherry (Wilt, I assume an economics prof did not write a sports persons biography). I can add some quotes:
Rather than simply retell the story, Cherry carefully ties some key dimensions together to create a policy tapestry in which he considers several proposals for the future Review: [Untitled] Demetra Smith Nightingale Social Service Review, Vol. 82, No. 2 (June 2008), pp. 335-338
His argument is compelling. In eleven creatively organized chapters, Cherry synthesizes the complex body of scholarly literature ... Review: [Untitled] Ivy Kennelly Contemporary Sociology, Vol. 31, No. 4 (Jul., 2002), pp. 420-421
Review: [Untitled] Allison J. Pugh Contemporary Sociology, Vol. 42, No. 6 (November 2013), pp. 832-833
each one about a different book that Cherry wrote. ... I clearly see a lot of coverage of different books over the whole career. --
hroest15:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Subject served as Broeklundian Professorship, as cited in the article as above. He has written several books that have been reviewed in a variety of publications, also cited above. If they are not included in the article, then they should be added. The subject easily meets
WP:GNG and
WP:NPROF as a university educator and because of the Broeklundian professorship and academic journals cited above and in the article. -
AuthorAuthor (
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19:00, 11 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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I'm struggling to find any secondary reliable sourcing on the subject. This appears to be a non-notable academic. There are 7 criteria for academic notability (
WP:NACADEMIC) and the subject doesn't meet any of them as far as I can tell:
[1] .
Snooganssnoogans (
talk)
17:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)reply
keep, has multiple reviews such as "Social Service Review, Vol. 82, No. 2 (June 2008), pp. 335-338", "Contemporary Sociology, Vol. 19, No. 6 (Nov., 1990), pp. 809-81", etc. passes
WP:NAUTHOR and probably also
WP:NPROF since these are reviews in academic journals. --
hroest20:36, 8 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Doesn't that fall under the exceptions under Point 1 of (
WP:NACADEMIC)? Virtually every academic who has published books in the social sciences will have at least some reviews of some of those books.
Snooganssnoogans (
talk)
20:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Honestly, I dont know how difficult it is to get a review into an academic journal as I am a biomedical researcher. Do you mean "Reviews of the person's work, published in selective academic publications, can be considered together with ordinary citations here." -- on the other hand we generally allow authors to be notable per
WP:NAUTHOR if they have multiple independent reviews of their books, so according to
WP:NAUTHOR alone he would be notable, correct? --
hroest00:42, 9 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Piotrus What about clause 3 of
WP:AUTHOR, treating it as a "collective body of work"? I admit I've not looked for other reviews beyond these 2, as I assumed these were sufficient. But I think
hroest said he found more. Plus the named professorship mentioned below under
WP:NPROF. -
Kj cheetham (
talk)
11:00, 11 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Piotrus that does not seem to be a good faith argument, if there were only a single relevant book then
WP:BLP1E would apply but clearly if someone wrote multiple notable books then that person is also notable. This is also clear in policy see
WP:AUTHOR#1. In addition the person also clearly fulfills
WP:NPROF#1 and
WP:NPROF#5. It this point the evidence is just overwhelming. --
hroest15:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)reply
keep Google Scholar shows a good amount of citations, in thousands, so he meets
WP:PROF.
Webmaster862 (
talk)
Weak delete'. While I think we need to be more inclusive for academics, I can't see what makes him notable. No awards, no indication his work is impactful. It seems he wrote a single book but I failed to locate a single academic review of it. I'd be happy to reconsider my vote if anyone pings me and shows me sources that describe his life, impact, work, or such. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here03:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Kj cheetham, I still don't believe the reviews of their books are relevant but named professorship is listed at NPROF. Now, the subject still fails NBIO/GNG, but that has hardly stopped the torrent flood of bios about sportspeople who meet some specialized NSPORTBIO defended by several fans. So I am withdrawing my deletion vote, not because I believe the subject is notable, but because I think we need to be more inclusive for academics in general. Treat my abstain / rationale however you will. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here06:09, 12 April 2021 (UTC)reply
comment hmm it works for me, but only if logged in through a University. Sorry about that, I usually dont use JSTOR and it seems to be only semi-public unfortunately. In either case, I see 29 results and easily several book reviews. Some of these are by Cherry himself, and at least one is about a book by a different Robert Cherry (Wilt, I assume an economics prof did not write a sports persons biography). I can add some quotes:
Rather than simply retell the story, Cherry carefully ties some key dimensions together to create a policy tapestry in which he considers several proposals for the future Review: [Untitled] Demetra Smith Nightingale Social Service Review, Vol. 82, No. 2 (June 2008), pp. 335-338
His argument is compelling. In eleven creatively organized chapters, Cherry synthesizes the complex body of scholarly literature ... Review: [Untitled] Ivy Kennelly Contemporary Sociology, Vol. 31, No. 4 (Jul., 2002), pp. 420-421
Review: [Untitled] Allison J. Pugh Contemporary Sociology, Vol. 42, No. 6 (November 2013), pp. 832-833
each one about a different book that Cherry wrote. ... I clearly see a lot of coverage of different books over the whole career. --
hroest15:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Subject served as Broeklundian Professorship, as cited in the article as above. He has written several books that have been reviewed in a variety of publications, also cited above. If they are not included in the article, then they should be added. The subject easily meets
WP:GNG and
WP:NPROF as a university educator and because of the Broeklundian professorship and academic journals cited above and in the article. -
AuthorAuthor (
talk)
19:00, 11 April 2021 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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