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The result was withdrawn. ansh 666 00:33, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
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head football coach at a college with a minor football program--and the next step uip in his career was to be coach at a high school. I don';t think that's the intent of NATHLETE DGG ( talk ) 00:02, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
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Delete. Not finding significant coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources. Of the two sources included in the article, one was published by Manello's employer and is not independent, and the other is a small town newspaper reporting on his hiring as a high school football coach. My search of newspapers.com turned up only passing references. Not enough that I can find to push it over the WP:GNG hurdle. Will reconsider if additional coverage is presented. Cbl62 ( talk) 02:31, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I intended to withdraw this , as it was explained to me that our NATHLETE policy states Div. III coaches are considered notable. I cannot do this now, as there has been another delete comment. I might be inclined to consider whether Div III coaches are to be considered notable to need further discussion, but it's not one of my main areas of interest; others may want to discuss it. But given that it is in the guideline at present, I am not advocating for deletion of the article. DGG ( talk ) 03:57, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ DGG: NATHLETE does not state that NCAA Division III coaches are presumed to be notable. To the contrary WP:NGRIDIRON states that American football head coaches are presumed notable only if they "have appeared in at least one regular season or post season game in any one of the following professional leagues: the Arena Football League, the Canadian Football League, the National Football League, the fourth American Football League, the All-America Football Conference or the United States Football League, or any other top-level professional league." That doesn't apply to NCAA Division III college football. And WP:NCOLLATH does not establish a presumption of notability for college coaches unless they have won a national award, been inducted into their sport's hall of fame, or received national media coverage. Accordingly, this AfD is governed by WP:GNG. That being the case, do you still wish to withdraw the nomination? Cbl62 ( talk) 06:49, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep since the nominator intended to withdraw and since I'm confident that sufficient sources could be located for just about any college football head coach. Jweiss11 ( talk) 04:28, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep normally head college football coaches generate enough pass to surpass WP:GNG and for this coach to hold the post from 1993 to 2009 points toward that.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 16:38, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. In the absence of a presumption of notability established by SNG, it is not enough to assert that one is "confident that sufficient sources could be located" or that head coaches "normally" generate enough coverage. My searches just don't turn up significant coverage other than a couple small-town articles ( here and here) reporting on his hiring as a high school coach. (And this guy coached in the Internet age.) As always, I am willing to reconsider if actual examples of significant coverage are presented. Cbl62 ( talk) 18:14, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Here's one more small town article (
here) from a local Wilkes-Barre paper about his work as a high school coach. Still not finding significant coverage about his college coaching career.
Cbl62 (
talk)
18:42, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Digging further: Found
this/
this (same article published in two papers, both from Wilkes Barre) about his retirement from King's College. We are now getting closer.
Cbl62 (
talk)
18:45, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've found more at Newslibrary.com, mostly from the local Wilkes-Barre, that are behind a paywall. Examples include: (1) "Rich Mannello's history at King's College", The Times-Leader, 11/17/09; (2) "Academics Are a Priority for Monarchs' Mannello", The Times Leader, 9/10/93; (3) "New Year, New Game for King's Monarchs Rich Mannello Is Far Less Interested in Past Glories Than in Showing Fans He Has a Solid Squad as the Opener Looms", The Times-Leader, 8/31/01; (4) "Mannello, Kings Nearing Milestone", The Times-Leader, 11/8/02; (5) "Mannello silently steps down", The Times-Leader, 11/17/09.
Cbl62 (
talk)
18:59, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- The coverage I'm finding is concentrated in the two Wilkes-Barre newspapers:
The Citizens' Voice and
The Times Leader. There is also coverage at Newslibrary.com of his high school coaching career as reported in The Dallas Post, the local paper in
Dallas, Pennsylvania.
Cbl62 (
talk)
19:13, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- OK, so there's also some coverage (behind paywall) in The Scranton Times-Tribune. Those articles include: (6) "Mannello Resigns at King's", 11/17/09; and (7) "Mannello Named New Dallas Head Coach", 2/3/15. We now have significant coverage in at least three separate newspapers -- enough, arguably, to pass WP:GNG. I am therefore withdrawing my "Delete" vote so that DGG's desire to withdraw the nomination can be accommodated. Cbl62 ( talk) 19:23, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- The coverage I'm finding is concentrated in the two Wilkes-Barre newspapers:
The Citizens' Voice and
The Times Leader. There is also coverage at Newslibrary.com of his high school coaching career as reported in The Dallas Post, the local paper in
Dallas, Pennsylvania.
Cbl62 (
talk)
19:13, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've found more at Newslibrary.com, mostly from the local Wilkes-Barre, that are behind a paywall. Examples include: (1) "Rich Mannello's history at King's College", The Times-Leader, 11/17/09; (2) "Academics Are a Priority for Monarchs' Mannello", The Times Leader, 9/10/93; (3) "New Year, New Game for King's Monarchs Rich Mannello Is Far Less Interested in Past Glories Than in Showing Fans He Has a Solid Squad as the Opener Looms", The Times-Leader, 8/31/01; (4) "Mannello, Kings Nearing Milestone", The Times-Leader, 11/8/02; (5) "Mannello silently steps down", The Times-Leader, 11/17/09.
Cbl62 (
talk)
18:59, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Digging further: Found
this/
this (same article published in two papers, both from Wilkes Barre) about his retirement from King's College. We are now getting closer.
Cbl62 (
talk)
18:45, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Here's one more small town article (
here) from a local Wilkes-Barre paper about his work as a high school coach. Still not finding significant coverage about his college coaching career.
Cbl62 (
talk)
18:42, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep since we now appear to have enough to pass WP:GNG, per Cbl62's research. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 23:00, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
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The result was withdrawn. ansh 666 00:33, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
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head football coach at a college with a minor football program--and the next step uip in his career was to be coach at a high school. I don';t think that's the intent of NATHLETE DGG ( talk ) 00:02, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 01:37, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
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Delete. Not finding significant coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources. Of the two sources included in the article, one was published by Manello's employer and is not independent, and the other is a small town newspaper reporting on his hiring as a high school football coach. My search of newspapers.com turned up only passing references. Not enough that I can find to push it over the WP:GNG hurdle. Will reconsider if additional coverage is presented. Cbl62 ( talk) 02:31, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I intended to withdraw this , as it was explained to me that our NATHLETE policy states Div. III coaches are considered notable. I cannot do this now, as there has been another delete comment. I might be inclined to consider whether Div III coaches are to be considered notable to need further discussion, but it's not one of my main areas of interest; others may want to discuss it. But given that it is in the guideline at present, I am not advocating for deletion of the article. DGG ( talk ) 03:57, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ DGG: NATHLETE does not state that NCAA Division III coaches are presumed to be notable. To the contrary WP:NGRIDIRON states that American football head coaches are presumed notable only if they "have appeared in at least one regular season or post season game in any one of the following professional leagues: the Arena Football League, the Canadian Football League, the National Football League, the fourth American Football League, the All-America Football Conference or the United States Football League, or any other top-level professional league." That doesn't apply to NCAA Division III college football. And WP:NCOLLATH does not establish a presumption of notability for college coaches unless they have won a national award, been inducted into their sport's hall of fame, or received national media coverage. Accordingly, this AfD is governed by WP:GNG. That being the case, do you still wish to withdraw the nomination? Cbl62 ( talk) 06:49, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep since the nominator intended to withdraw and since I'm confident that sufficient sources could be located for just about any college football head coach. Jweiss11 ( talk) 04:28, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep normally head college football coaches generate enough pass to surpass WP:GNG and for this coach to hold the post from 1993 to 2009 points toward that.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 16:38, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. In the absence of a presumption of notability established by SNG, it is not enough to assert that one is "confident that sufficient sources could be located" or that head coaches "normally" generate enough coverage. My searches just don't turn up significant coverage other than a couple small-town articles ( here and here) reporting on his hiring as a high school coach. (And this guy coached in the Internet age.) As always, I am willing to reconsider if actual examples of significant coverage are presented. Cbl62 ( talk) 18:14, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Here's one more small town article (
here) from a local Wilkes-Barre paper about his work as a high school coach. Still not finding significant coverage about his college coaching career.
Cbl62 (
talk)
18:42, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Digging further: Found
this/
this (same article published in two papers, both from Wilkes Barre) about his retirement from King's College. We are now getting closer.
Cbl62 (
talk)
18:45, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've found more at Newslibrary.com, mostly from the local Wilkes-Barre, that are behind a paywall. Examples include: (1) "Rich Mannello's history at King's College", The Times-Leader, 11/17/09; (2) "Academics Are a Priority for Monarchs' Mannello", The Times Leader, 9/10/93; (3) "New Year, New Game for King's Monarchs Rich Mannello Is Far Less Interested in Past Glories Than in Showing Fans He Has a Solid Squad as the Opener Looms", The Times-Leader, 8/31/01; (4) "Mannello, Kings Nearing Milestone", The Times-Leader, 11/8/02; (5) "Mannello silently steps down", The Times-Leader, 11/17/09.
Cbl62 (
talk)
18:59, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- The coverage I'm finding is concentrated in the two Wilkes-Barre newspapers:
The Citizens' Voice and
The Times Leader. There is also coverage at Newslibrary.com of his high school coaching career as reported in The Dallas Post, the local paper in
Dallas, Pennsylvania.
Cbl62 (
talk)
19:13, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- OK, so there's also some coverage (behind paywall) in The Scranton Times-Tribune. Those articles include: (6) "Mannello Resigns at King's", 11/17/09; and (7) "Mannello Named New Dallas Head Coach", 2/3/15. We now have significant coverage in at least three separate newspapers -- enough, arguably, to pass WP:GNG. I am therefore withdrawing my "Delete" vote so that DGG's desire to withdraw the nomination can be accommodated. Cbl62 ( talk) 19:23, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- The coverage I'm finding is concentrated in the two Wilkes-Barre newspapers:
The Citizens' Voice and
The Times Leader. There is also coverage at Newslibrary.com of his high school coaching career as reported in The Dallas Post, the local paper in
Dallas, Pennsylvania.
Cbl62 (
talk)
19:13, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've found more at Newslibrary.com, mostly from the local Wilkes-Barre, that are behind a paywall. Examples include: (1) "Rich Mannello's history at King's College", The Times-Leader, 11/17/09; (2) "Academics Are a Priority for Monarchs' Mannello", The Times Leader, 9/10/93; (3) "New Year, New Game for King's Monarchs Rich Mannello Is Far Less Interested in Past Glories Than in Showing Fans He Has a Solid Squad as the Opener Looms", The Times-Leader, 8/31/01; (4) "Mannello, Kings Nearing Milestone", The Times-Leader, 11/8/02; (5) "Mannello silently steps down", The Times-Leader, 11/17/09.
Cbl62 (
talk)
18:59, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Digging further: Found
this/
this (same article published in two papers, both from Wilkes Barre) about his retirement from King's College. We are now getting closer.
Cbl62 (
talk)
18:45, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Here's one more small town article (
here) from a local Wilkes-Barre paper about his work as a high school coach. Still not finding significant coverage about his college coaching career.
Cbl62 (
talk)
18:42, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep since we now appear to have enough to pass WP:GNG, per Cbl62's research. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 23:00, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.