The result was No consensus. Despite the extensive (and I do mean extensive) discussion here, there is no consensus to delete or keep the article at this time. Merger / redirect do not have a consensus either, although specific discussions can still be held at the article talk page. — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 18:26, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Recently created product article that is non-notable. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 01:06, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
The Author I am Emmanuel Gaudin the author of this article and PragmaDev founder and CEO. I am also part of several program committees such as the SDL Forum conference, the UML & AADL conference, the INCOSE IS2014. My point was to get Real Time Developer Studio in the list of UML tools because that is where it belongs. This required the entry to be linked to a product page, so I did create it.
The tool Real Time Developer Studio project won the French ministry of research national competition on innovative technologies in 2001. The tool is used by large companies such as Alcatel-Lucent, Airbus, or Renault. The tool is integrated with:
That should demonstrate enough notability for the tool to keep the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manu31415 ( talk • contribs) 10:44, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
rickreed ( talk) 22:48, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
There is nothing undisclosed as far as I can see. The author is who he claims to be be,
As CEO of PragmaDev the author has an interest in Real Time Developer Studio (RTDS), but I do not understand why that should stop him adding RTDS as an article so that it can be referenced from other pages: he is probably the best person to initiate an article on the tool. It is not clear what the rationale for deleting the article is. The tool has existed for a number of years, is commercially successful, has been referenced in a number of published papers, is quite widely used, and therefore in my opinion is notable should be included in Wikipedia.
End of suggestion from rickreed ( talk) 22:48, 24 February 2014 (UTC) — Rickreed ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
-- Edel Sherratt ( talk) 18:58, 25 February 2014 (UTC) The author is founder and CEO of PragmaDev, and has an interest in PragmaDev Real Time Developer Studio (PragmaDev RTDS).
It is very useful indeed to have an article that can be referenced from pages such as /info/en/?search=Specification_and_Description_Language and /info/en/?search=List_of_Unified_Modeling_Language_tools and the author is the person best placed to initiate such a page.
The tool is cited in a number of reliable, independent publications, including
End of suggestion from Edel Sherratt ( talk) 18:58, 25 February 2014 (UTC) — Edel Sherratt ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
This looks like significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. Manu31415 ( talk) 16:27, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
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LaurentDoldi (
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Pragmadev RTDS is the only independent tool commercially available, supporting the widely used ITU-T languages SDL and MSC. Pragmadev is a small French company (about 20 people I suppose), INDEPEDENT and existing since 2001. The two main other companies making commercial SDL tools (Verilog and Telelogic) have been acquired by Rational, now part of IBM.
I believed that the spirit of Wikipedia was to support small companies or indivuals rather than large capitalist groups governed by quick term profits only. But when I read the comments in favour of deletion, it seems that it is no longer the case.
Remenber that EVERY Airbus aircraft in service in 2014 executes around 300.000 lines of C code generated automatically from SDL (and ASN.1) models developed with RTDS, either in its ATSU computers (Air Traffic Services Unit) on A320, A330 and A340 families, ot in ATC applications running on modular avionics on A380, A400M and A350.
Also if billions of users are using their mobile phones, it is partly thanks to SDL, which has been used in ETSI (European Standards Telecommunications Institute) to help developing the GSM and 3G etc. specifications, then used by companies such as Motorola, Alcatel, Mitsubishi etc. to develop mobile phones and network infrastructures.
I have written 3 books on SDL, two published by myself, and one published by Wiley (
http://www.wileyeurope.com/remtitle.cgi?isbn=0470852860).
I have been working 32 years as a software engineer for the aircraft and telecom industry, using SDL and other languages, so you can trust me.
See my LinkedIn profile:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/laurent-doldi/6/470/b3 —
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I guess the underlying question here is about what notable means when it comes to very specialized technologies. There has been comments from experts in this specialized community to state the tool was actually notable in the domain. The reply from non specialized people is that it is not notable but I do not understand how they can tell. Manu31415 ( talk) 09:57, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
"(en l'occurrence Pragmadev pour son outil RTDS)", and I'd call that incidental and trivial. Best, Sam Sailor Sing 22:46, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
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The result was No consensus. Despite the extensive (and I do mean extensive) discussion here, there is no consensus to delete or keep the article at this time. Merger / redirect do not have a consensus either, although specific discussions can still be held at the article talk page. — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 18:26, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Recently created product article that is non-notable. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 01:06, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
The Author I am Emmanuel Gaudin the author of this article and PragmaDev founder and CEO. I am also part of several program committees such as the SDL Forum conference, the UML & AADL conference, the INCOSE IS2014. My point was to get Real Time Developer Studio in the list of UML tools because that is where it belongs. This required the entry to be linked to a product page, so I did create it.
The tool Real Time Developer Studio project won the French ministry of research national competition on innovative technologies in 2001. The tool is used by large companies such as Alcatel-Lucent, Airbus, or Renault. The tool is integrated with:
That should demonstrate enough notability for the tool to keep the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manu31415 ( talk • contribs) 10:44, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
rickreed ( talk) 22:48, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
There is nothing undisclosed as far as I can see. The author is who he claims to be be,
As CEO of PragmaDev the author has an interest in Real Time Developer Studio (RTDS), but I do not understand why that should stop him adding RTDS as an article so that it can be referenced from other pages: he is probably the best person to initiate an article on the tool. It is not clear what the rationale for deleting the article is. The tool has existed for a number of years, is commercially successful, has been referenced in a number of published papers, is quite widely used, and therefore in my opinion is notable should be included in Wikipedia.
End of suggestion from rickreed ( talk) 22:48, 24 February 2014 (UTC) — Rickreed ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
-- Edel Sherratt ( talk) 18:58, 25 February 2014 (UTC) The author is founder and CEO of PragmaDev, and has an interest in PragmaDev Real Time Developer Studio (PragmaDev RTDS).
It is very useful indeed to have an article that can be referenced from pages such as /info/en/?search=Specification_and_Description_Language and /info/en/?search=List_of_Unified_Modeling_Language_tools and the author is the person best placed to initiate such a page.
The tool is cited in a number of reliable, independent publications, including
End of suggestion from Edel Sherratt ( talk) 18:58, 25 February 2014 (UTC) — Edel Sherratt ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
This looks like significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. Manu31415 ( talk) 16:27, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
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LaurentDoldi (
talk) 15:07, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Pragmadev RTDS is the only independent tool commercially available, supporting the widely used ITU-T languages SDL and MSC. Pragmadev is a small French company (about 20 people I suppose), INDEPEDENT and existing since 2001. The two main other companies making commercial SDL tools (Verilog and Telelogic) have been acquired by Rational, now part of IBM.
I believed that the spirit of Wikipedia was to support small companies or indivuals rather than large capitalist groups governed by quick term profits only. But when I read the comments in favour of deletion, it seems that it is no longer the case.
Remenber that EVERY Airbus aircraft in service in 2014 executes around 300.000 lines of C code generated automatically from SDL (and ASN.1) models developed with RTDS, either in its ATSU computers (Air Traffic Services Unit) on A320, A330 and A340 families, ot in ATC applications running on modular avionics on A380, A400M and A350.
Also if billions of users are using their mobile phones, it is partly thanks to SDL, which has been used in ETSI (European Standards Telecommunications Institute) to help developing the GSM and 3G etc. specifications, then used by companies such as Motorola, Alcatel, Mitsubishi etc. to develop mobile phones and network infrastructures.
I have written 3 books on SDL, two published by myself, and one published by Wiley (
http://www.wileyeurope.com/remtitle.cgi?isbn=0470852860).
I have been working 32 years as a software engineer for the aircraft and telecom industry, using SDL and other languages, so you can trust me.
See my LinkedIn profile:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/laurent-doldi/6/470/b3 —
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I guess the underlying question here is about what notable means when it comes to very specialized technologies. There has been comments from experts in this specialized community to state the tool was actually notable in the domain. The reply from non specialized people is that it is not notable but I do not understand how they can tell. Manu31415 ( talk) 09:57, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
"(en l'occurrence Pragmadev pour son outil RTDS)", and I'd call that incidental and trivial. Best, Sam Sailor Sing 22:46, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
“ | Notability guidelines apply to the inclusion of stand-alone lists and tables. Notability of lists (whether titled as "List of Xs" or "Xs") is based on the group. One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable, although editors may, at their discretion, choose to limit large lists by only including entries for independently notable items or those with Wikipedia articles. | ” |
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