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The result was keep. Vanamonde ( Talk) 18:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Rantanplan
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Supporting character in comics. The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline nor the supplementary Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. PS. I recommmend redirecting this to Lucky Luke in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE, not deleting. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:28, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment Well, so far I've seen a few paragraphs here, somewhat shorter treatment here and here, and very short bit of commentary here, p. 110. Daranios ( talk) 15:05, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Additionally,
The Alain Van Passen collection : at the crossroads of comics collecting and critique has a discussion of the name, and how the character relates to the fanzine of the same name.
Daranios (
talk)
15:13, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @
Daranios I read the latter discussion and concluded it's irrelevant here - it just says that the magazine name was inspired by several things, one of them being this entity.
This is ok, assuming it is reliable (is it?) but
[1] is a passing mention in one sentence, you can hardly get further from SIGCOV than this.
[2], with two sentences on topic or so, likely fails SIGCOV. So I appreciate you doing the lit review here, but I think we have one possibly good source (in-depth, although not sure if it is reliable), and some passing mentions. Btw, please note I've PRODed
Jolly Jumper, feel free to deprod if you think it should end up here (that's the horse from this comic book series, seems to have even less coverage than the dog).
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
05:40, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus:
This is from
CNews. I only know what's in the Wikipedia article, but as that compares it to FoxNews, I guess we can work with the
same assumption: "Fox News is generally reliable for news coverage on topics other than politics and science". As far as I understand that article is supported by a longer treatment I have found:
Milou, Idéfix et Cie: le chien en BD has a whole chapter "Rantanplan, sidekick who became chief "gagdog"" starting p. 181, plus many more mentions throughout.
Daranios (
talk)
10:27, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, Milou, Idéfix... is the same source Fram had already mentioned earlier. Daranios ( talk) 14:54, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus:
This is from
CNews. I only know what's in the Wikipedia article, but as that compares it to FoxNews, I guess we can work with the
same assumption: "Fox News is generally reliable for news coverage on topics other than politics and science". As far as I understand that article is supported by a longer treatment I have found:
Milou, Idéfix et Cie: le chien en BD has a whole chapter "Rantanplan, sidekick who became chief "gagdog"" starting p. 181, plus many more mentions throughout.
Daranios (
talk)
10:27, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- @
Daranios I read the latter discussion and concluded it's irrelevant here - it just says that the magazine name was inspired by several things, one of them being this entity.
This is ok, assuming it is reliable (is it?) but
[1] is a passing mention in one sentence, you can hardly get further from SIGCOV than this.
[2], with two sentences on topic or so, likely fails SIGCOV. So I appreciate you doing the lit review here, but I think we have one possibly good source (in-depth, although not sure if it is reliable), and some passing mentions. Btw, please note I've PRODed
Jolly Jumper, feel free to deprod if you think it should end up here (that's the horse from this comic book series, seems to have even less coverage than the dog).
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
05:40, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Had its own comic series between 1987 and 2011 (20 albums in total, which is for a bande dessinée a considerable run, and many of them translated in Dutch, German, Spanish, Portuguese, ...), plus a major role in different Lucky Luke albums like L'Héritage de Rantanplan. Secondary sources? This one alone should be sufficient to keep this: chapter 6 is completely about Rantanplan, and he is mentioned throughout the book elsewhere. Getting an entry in Les Chiens célèbres should seal the deal, clearly notable. Fram ( talk) 10:05, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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This one again has a separate entry for Rantanplan, making it clear that he has become an archetype in France, an instantly recognisable icon. You also get
this, or
this.
Fram (
talk)
10:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- @ Fram Thanks. Shame nobody added this to fr wiki, if there was some sort of reception section, referenced, then I wouldn't have nominated this. Any chance you could write a few sentences for us? My French is poor and I can't access most of the linked sources anyway. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Enough secondary sources have been found to show that the topic fullfills WP:GNG. Daranios ( talk) 14:54, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Per the sources @Fram mentioned above. ButlerBlog ( talk) 12:44, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Vanamonde ( Talk) 18:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Rantanplan
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Supporting character in comics. The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline nor the supplementary Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. PS. I recommmend redirecting this to Lucky Luke in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE, not deleting. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:28, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Comics and animation, and France. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:28, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Well, so far I've seen a few paragraphs here, somewhat shorter treatment here and here, and very short bit of commentary here, p. 110. Daranios ( talk) 15:05, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Additionally,
The Alain Van Passen collection : at the crossroads of comics collecting and critique has a discussion of the name, and how the character relates to the fanzine of the same name.
Daranios (
talk)
15:13, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @
Daranios I read the latter discussion and concluded it's irrelevant here - it just says that the magazine name was inspired by several things, one of them being this entity.
This is ok, assuming it is reliable (is it?) but
[1] is a passing mention in one sentence, you can hardly get further from SIGCOV than this.
[2], with two sentences on topic or so, likely fails SIGCOV. So I appreciate you doing the lit review here, but I think we have one possibly good source (in-depth, although not sure if it is reliable), and some passing mentions. Btw, please note I've PRODed
Jolly Jumper, feel free to deprod if you think it should end up here (that's the horse from this comic book series, seems to have even less coverage than the dog).
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
05:40, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus:
This is from
CNews. I only know what's in the Wikipedia article, but as that compares it to FoxNews, I guess we can work with the
same assumption: "Fox News is generally reliable for news coverage on topics other than politics and science". As far as I understand that article is supported by a longer treatment I have found:
Milou, Idéfix et Cie: le chien en BD has a whole chapter "Rantanplan, sidekick who became chief "gagdog"" starting p. 181, plus many more mentions throughout.
Daranios (
talk)
10:27, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, Milou, Idéfix... is the same source Fram had already mentioned earlier. Daranios ( talk) 14:54, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus:
This is from
CNews. I only know what's in the Wikipedia article, but as that compares it to FoxNews, I guess we can work with the
same assumption: "Fox News is generally reliable for news coverage on topics other than politics and science". As far as I understand that article is supported by a longer treatment I have found:
Milou, Idéfix et Cie: le chien en BD has a whole chapter "Rantanplan, sidekick who became chief "gagdog"" starting p. 181, plus many more mentions throughout.
Daranios (
talk)
10:27, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- @
Daranios I read the latter discussion and concluded it's irrelevant here - it just says that the magazine name was inspired by several things, one of them being this entity.
This is ok, assuming it is reliable (is it?) but
[1] is a passing mention in one sentence, you can hardly get further from SIGCOV than this.
[2], with two sentences on topic or so, likely fails SIGCOV. So I appreciate you doing the lit review here, but I think we have one possibly good source (in-depth, although not sure if it is reliable), and some passing mentions. Btw, please note I've PRODed
Jolly Jumper, feel free to deprod if you think it should end up here (that's the horse from this comic book series, seems to have even less coverage than the dog).
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
05:40, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Had its own comic series between 1987 and 2011 (20 albums in total, which is for a bande dessinée a considerable run, and many of them translated in Dutch, German, Spanish, Portuguese, ...), plus a major role in different Lucky Luke albums like L'Héritage de Rantanplan. Secondary sources? This one alone should be sufficient to keep this: chapter 6 is completely about Rantanplan, and he is mentioned throughout the book elsewhere. Getting an entry in Les Chiens célèbres should seal the deal, clearly notable. Fram ( talk) 10:05, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
-
This one again has a separate entry for Rantanplan, making it clear that he has become an archetype in France, an instantly recognisable icon. You also get
this, or
this.
Fram (
talk)
10:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- @ Fram Thanks. Shame nobody added this to fr wiki, if there was some sort of reception section, referenced, then I wouldn't have nominated this. Any chance you could write a few sentences for us? My French is poor and I can't access most of the linked sources anyway. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Enough secondary sources have been found to show that the topic fullfills WP:GNG. Daranios ( talk) 14:54, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Per the sources @Fram mentioned above. ButlerBlog ( talk) 12:44, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.