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The result was delete. Consensus is that SIGCOV is not met. Daniel ( talk) 20:05, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Rani Malik
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Fails WP:BIO, WP:SIGCOV. Refs are passing mentions and profiles. No secondary coverage. scope_creep Talk 23:28, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, and India. Shellwood ( talk) 00:07, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete I nominated this for deletion in 2017. The subject has done nothing of any significance since then, and this new article is a clear fail of WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. Edwardx ( talk) 00:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep I think she passes WP:COMPOSER as the lyricist of the very notable song Chura Ke Dil Mera. The song has 36 million views just on this link alone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af5Dw0hciIk&ab_channel=IshtarMusic and makes the news a lot, examples follow:
- https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/2-yr-old-boy-recreates-norwegian-dance-crews-performance-on-chura-ke-dil-mera-internet-hearts-viral-video-2294061-2022-11-06
- https://indianexpress.com/article/trending/trending-in-india/norway-dance-crew-injects-dose-of-bollywood-to-wedding-party-wows-all-7964807/ CT55555( talk) 02:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment None of these reference above mention the subject, except for the youtube ref in the most cursory style that is neither in-depth nor independent. The first one is 2-minute short, and 2nd one is clickbait article. The Youtube ref is a passing mention. These are NON references. scope_creep Talk 02:41, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep People in the subcontinent don't know much about the lyricists rather than the playback singers behind the notable songs used in popular films and the same is the case for her. Although there is not enough in-depth mention of her in reliable sources, she wrote many popular songs in notable films, as an Artist and Lyricist she meets WP:ARTIST and WP:COMPOSER respectively. Some examples of her work: 1, 2, 3 and the IMDb list. The page needs expansion rather than deletion. M.Ashraf333 ( talk) 05:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- These links are passing mentions, profiles or listicle articles and are not signifcant, and the first one is not reliable. IMDB is non-rs. They are junk references. scope_creep Talk 06:47, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - She has penned many popular songs and have been nominated for Filmfare Award, the most respectable award of India and earned Screen Award for Best Lyricist. Abbasulu ( talk) 13:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- She seems to have done a lot but no evidence has been offered of being verifiable per WP:V. We will check the references. scope_creep Talk 14:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Lets examine the references:
- Ref 1
[1]
on Rani Malik’s lyrics for the 1994 hit “Main Khiladi Tu Anari”
That is a passing mention. - Ref 2
[2]
the great flow that Rani Malik had developed for the original.
That is the extent. That is a passing mention. - Ref 3 [3] That is a profile clickbait site and is not significant. Non-rs.
- Ref 4 [4] Not mentioned on the page. Non-RS.
- Ref 5
[5]
lyricist Rani Malik.
Not significant. - Ref 6 IMDB. NON-RS.
- Ref 7 [6] Clickbait site. It does state she has written 296 songs, which is a lot. But no evidence for it. Non-RS. Similar to IMDB.
- Ref 1
[1]
Looking at the refs above.
- Ref 1
[7]
rafted by the technical genius of music director Anu Malik.
Passing mention. Primary - Ref 2 [8] No mention of Rani Malik. Non-RS.
- Ref 3
[9]
Rani Malik penned the song
Passing mention. - Ref 4 [10] No mention.
- Ref 5 [11] Another clickbait similar to IMDB listing her songs. At least three pages worth. Primary.
Doing a WP:BEFORE, which was done before. There is lots and lots of passing mentions as evidenced by the analysis, but not even an interview using the Google CSE search. Nothing on a straighforward Google search - Wikipedia, not even an interview. On the news search, its the same kind of passing mentions coverage.
Currently Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:BIO. There is insufficient coverage to pass a WP:BLP. What is there is incidental. scope_creep Talk 12:10, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - It seems clear that WP:BIO is not met... but our standards for musicians are much lower. Plainly, the subject meets criteria (1) of WP:COMPOSER: they have "credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition." WP:COMPOSER notes that "Where possible, composers or lyricists with insufficient verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article should be merged into the article about their work. When a composer or lyricist is known for multiple works, such a merger may not be possible." I don't see any obvious redirects, as the subject is known as a lyricist for multiple works. Suriname0 ( talk) 22:50, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- Not seeing any evidence that India Today is an unreliable source, not listed at perennial sources Atlantic306 ( talk) 01:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete:
WP:ROTM songwriter. Text filled with peacockery. Lacks
WP:SIGCOV, fails
WP:BIO,
WP:GNG. Current arguments to retain this appear to be based upon
WP:ILIKEIT, rather than being policy based 🇺🇦
FiddleTimtrent
FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦
08:43, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
-
User:Timtrent, I'm wondering if you could specifically assess whether the subject meets
WP:COMPOSER, which seems like it applies here.
Suriname0 (
talk)
16:18, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- I do not generally enter into a dialogue during AfDs. One cannot pass WP:NCOMPOSER without having WP:SIGCOV. WP:V is a cornerstone. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 17:32, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
-
User:Timtrent, I'm wondering if you could specifically assess whether the subject meets
WP:COMPOSER, which seems like it applies here.
Suriname0 (
talk)
16:18, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Linguist111 ( talk) 12:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: The subject isn't passing WP:BIO, WP:GNG and WP:COMPOSER. Not verified as per WP:V ||||||| Sahilrazvii999 ( talk) 17:09, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I can't see enough in-depth sourcing to show they meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 14:53, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Consensus is that SIGCOV is not met. Daniel ( talk) 20:05, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Rani Malik
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- Rani Malik ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:BIO, WP:SIGCOV. Refs are passing mentions and profiles. No secondary coverage. scope_creep Talk 23:28, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, and India. Shellwood ( talk) 00:07, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete I nominated this for deletion in 2017. The subject has done nothing of any significance since then, and this new article is a clear fail of WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. Edwardx ( talk) 00:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep I think she passes WP:COMPOSER as the lyricist of the very notable song Chura Ke Dil Mera. The song has 36 million views just on this link alone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af5Dw0hciIk&ab_channel=IshtarMusic and makes the news a lot, examples follow:
- https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/2-yr-old-boy-recreates-norwegian-dance-crews-performance-on-chura-ke-dil-mera-internet-hearts-viral-video-2294061-2022-11-06
- https://indianexpress.com/article/trending/trending-in-india/norway-dance-crew-injects-dose-of-bollywood-to-wedding-party-wows-all-7964807/ CT55555( talk) 02:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment None of these reference above mention the subject, except for the youtube ref in the most cursory style that is neither in-depth nor independent. The first one is 2-minute short, and 2nd one is clickbait article. The Youtube ref is a passing mention. These are NON references. scope_creep Talk 02:41, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep People in the subcontinent don't know much about the lyricists rather than the playback singers behind the notable songs used in popular films and the same is the case for her. Although there is not enough in-depth mention of her in reliable sources, she wrote many popular songs in notable films, as an Artist and Lyricist she meets WP:ARTIST and WP:COMPOSER respectively. Some examples of her work: 1, 2, 3 and the IMDb list. The page needs expansion rather than deletion. M.Ashraf333 ( talk) 05:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- These links are passing mentions, profiles or listicle articles and are not signifcant, and the first one is not reliable. IMDB is non-rs. They are junk references. scope_creep Talk 06:47, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - She has penned many popular songs and have been nominated for Filmfare Award, the most respectable award of India and earned Screen Award for Best Lyricist. Abbasulu ( talk) 13:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- She seems to have done a lot but no evidence has been offered of being verifiable per WP:V. We will check the references. scope_creep Talk 14:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Lets examine the references:
- Ref 1
[1]
on Rani Malik’s lyrics for the 1994 hit “Main Khiladi Tu Anari”
That is a passing mention. - Ref 2
[2]
the great flow that Rani Malik had developed for the original.
That is the extent. That is a passing mention. - Ref 3 [3] That is a profile clickbait site and is not significant. Non-rs.
- Ref 4 [4] Not mentioned on the page. Non-RS.
- Ref 5
[5]
lyricist Rani Malik.
Not significant. - Ref 6 IMDB. NON-RS.
- Ref 7 [6] Clickbait site. It does state she has written 296 songs, which is a lot. But no evidence for it. Non-RS. Similar to IMDB.
- Ref 1
[1]
Looking at the refs above.
- Ref 1
[7]
rafted by the technical genius of music director Anu Malik.
Passing mention. Primary - Ref 2 [8] No mention of Rani Malik. Non-RS.
- Ref 3
[9]
Rani Malik penned the song
Passing mention. - Ref 4 [10] No mention.
- Ref 5 [11] Another clickbait similar to IMDB listing her songs. At least three pages worth. Primary.
Doing a WP:BEFORE, which was done before. There is lots and lots of passing mentions as evidenced by the analysis, but not even an interview using the Google CSE search. Nothing on a straighforward Google search - Wikipedia, not even an interview. On the news search, its the same kind of passing mentions coverage.
Currently Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:BIO. There is insufficient coverage to pass a WP:BLP. What is there is incidental. scope_creep Talk 12:10, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - It seems clear that WP:BIO is not met... but our standards for musicians are much lower. Plainly, the subject meets criteria (1) of WP:COMPOSER: they have "credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition." WP:COMPOSER notes that "Where possible, composers or lyricists with insufficient verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article should be merged into the article about their work. When a composer or lyricist is known for multiple works, such a merger may not be possible." I don't see any obvious redirects, as the subject is known as a lyricist for multiple works. Suriname0 ( talk) 22:50, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- Not seeing any evidence that India Today is an unreliable source, not listed at perennial sources Atlantic306 ( talk) 01:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete:
WP:ROTM songwriter. Text filled with peacockery. Lacks
WP:SIGCOV, fails
WP:BIO,
WP:GNG. Current arguments to retain this appear to be based upon
WP:ILIKEIT, rather than being policy based 🇺🇦
FiddleTimtrent
FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦
08:43, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
-
User:Timtrent, I'm wondering if you could specifically assess whether the subject meets
WP:COMPOSER, which seems like it applies here.
Suriname0 (
talk)
16:18, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- I do not generally enter into a dialogue during AfDs. One cannot pass WP:NCOMPOSER without having WP:SIGCOV. WP:V is a cornerstone. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 17:32, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
-
User:Timtrent, I'm wondering if you could specifically assess whether the subject meets
WP:COMPOSER, which seems like it applies here.
Suriname0 (
talk)
16:18, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Linguist111 ( talk) 12:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: The subject isn't passing WP:BIO, WP:GNG and WP:COMPOSER. Not verified as per WP:V ||||||| Sahilrazvii999 ( talk) 17:09, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I can't see enough in-depth sourcing to show they meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 14:53, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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