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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:45, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
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Sources do not demonstrate that it passes WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. May be a case of WP:TOOSOON. – Pbrks ( t • c) 04:09, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete References are adequately not satisfied WP:GNG. Inspect61 ( talk) 10:58, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Doesn't have a single that's charted, her Spotify only has 90 000 listens and what looks like 60 something subs. Hardly notable. Her article was created by a paid editor on many other articles, though not disclosed here, I suspect it's the same case. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- The impetus for the apparent "early" entry of this article is due to her prominent upcoming role on "Becoming a Popstar" - the newest MTV show, sponsored by Tiktok and Pepsi. Her profile stands to raise significantly in the coming days, if the millions of streams and followers on social media were not enough to warrant the article yet. The TV show's first episode airs on March 24, 2022, thus the upload of this article one week beforehand.
Cpeter30 (
talk)
17:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- So, indeed, you believe it to be a case of
WP:TOOSOON as well. It may be best for you to write a
draft on the subject instead, because, as it stands today, the topic does not seem to meet the
general notability guidelines for inclusion in for Wikipedia. –
Pbrks (
t •
c)
17:54, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- The show is airing today, so certainly not too soon: https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/becoming-a-popstar-exclusive-clip-48762110
- She is being featured across many notable outlets, and Oaktree is making inaccurate claims: the artist is in the millions of streams on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0ekCwZGQUkAISV1h48jlHn
- While I agree that having millions of streams is not worthy of her own article, the TV show press certainly is. Several sources have already been cited to that end. Thank you. Cpeter30 ( talk) 03:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- So, indeed, you believe it to be a case of
WP:TOOSOON as well. It may be best for you to write a
draft on the subject instead, because, as it stands today, the topic does not seem to meet the
general notability guidelines for inclusion in for Wikipedia. –
Pbrks (
t •
c)
17:54, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I agree it’s too soon to consider. This person does not meet WP:BLP standards. She has not achieved the necessary third party validation or WP:NOTEWORTHY achievements. She may someday, but has not done it yet. Go4thProsper ( talk) 02:04, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- *Agreed, if her "profile stands to be raised significantly", she's not yet notable. May want to move this to draft space, with the caveat that she might not be notable even after the show airs. She'd need a substantial amount of coverage in reliable sources before we'd consider it. I've written articles for reality tv stars before, Shannon Singh for example, and unless they really make a splash, it's hard to find enough to justify an article here. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:17, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Tik Tok stardom has yet to translate into RS recognition. Probably TOO SOON. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 18:39, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- More and more press is coming out every day to support Rachel's page here, as she will be at the forefront of a new show on MTV starting in a few hours. Here is another source from a major outlet:
https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/becoming-a-popstar-exclusive-clip-48762110
Cpeter30 (
talk)
03:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, popsugar.com is generally considered to be an unreliable source. – Pbrks ( t • c) 04:31, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:45, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
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Sources do not demonstrate that it passes WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. May be a case of WP:TOOSOON. – Pbrks ( t • c) 04:09, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. – Pbrks ( t • c) 04:09, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. – Pbrks ( t • c) 04:09, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete References are adequately not satisfied WP:GNG. Inspect61 ( talk) 10:58, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Doesn't have a single that's charted, her Spotify only has 90 000 listens and what looks like 60 something subs. Hardly notable. Her article was created by a paid editor on many other articles, though not disclosed here, I suspect it's the same case. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- The impetus for the apparent "early" entry of this article is due to her prominent upcoming role on "Becoming a Popstar" - the newest MTV show, sponsored by Tiktok and Pepsi. Her profile stands to raise significantly in the coming days, if the millions of streams and followers on social media were not enough to warrant the article yet. The TV show's first episode airs on March 24, 2022, thus the upload of this article one week beforehand.
Cpeter30 (
talk)
17:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- So, indeed, you believe it to be a case of
WP:TOOSOON as well. It may be best for you to write a
draft on the subject instead, because, as it stands today, the topic does not seem to meet the
general notability guidelines for inclusion in for Wikipedia. –
Pbrks (
t •
c)
17:54, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- The show is airing today, so certainly not too soon: https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/becoming-a-popstar-exclusive-clip-48762110
- She is being featured across many notable outlets, and Oaktree is making inaccurate claims: the artist is in the millions of streams on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0ekCwZGQUkAISV1h48jlHn
- While I agree that having millions of streams is not worthy of her own article, the TV show press certainly is. Several sources have already been cited to that end. Thank you. Cpeter30 ( talk) 03:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- So, indeed, you believe it to be a case of
WP:TOOSOON as well. It may be best for you to write a
draft on the subject instead, because, as it stands today, the topic does not seem to meet the
general notability guidelines for inclusion in for Wikipedia. –
Pbrks (
t •
c)
17:54, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I agree it’s too soon to consider. This person does not meet WP:BLP standards. She has not achieved the necessary third party validation or WP:NOTEWORTHY achievements. She may someday, but has not done it yet. Go4thProsper ( talk) 02:04, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- *Agreed, if her "profile stands to be raised significantly", she's not yet notable. May want to move this to draft space, with the caveat that she might not be notable even after the show airs. She'd need a substantial amount of coverage in reliable sources before we'd consider it. I've written articles for reality tv stars before, Shannon Singh for example, and unless they really make a splash, it's hard to find enough to justify an article here. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:17, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Tik Tok stardom has yet to translate into RS recognition. Probably TOO SOON. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 18:39, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- More and more press is coming out every day to support Rachel's page here, as she will be at the forefront of a new show on MTV starting in a few hours. Here is another source from a major outlet:
https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/becoming-a-popstar-exclusive-clip-48762110
Cpeter30 (
talk)
03:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, popsugar.com is generally considered to be an unreliable source. – Pbrks ( t • c) 04:31, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.