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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 12:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
PrototypeRadio
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Fails WP:SIRS, doesn't have significant coverage covering the company in depth. Sea Cow ( talk) 12:46, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
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Sea Cow (
talk)
12:46, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- this article has nothing at all?
/info/en/?search=Global_Dance_Session
Mikehollins (
talk)
13:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Please read WP:WAX. Let it simmer and sink in a bit, and then click on /info/en/?search=Global_Dance_Session again. (Free hint: you won't find the same thing you saw when you offered it as an example, because of some of what you read in WAX.) Bearcat ( talk) 15:45, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- this article has nothing at all?
/info/en/?search=Global_Dance_Session
Mikehollins (
talk)
13:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sea Cow states that Promo Only Promotions is not an authority worthy of mention. Promoonly is regarded as one of the biggest Radio trade magazines in the broadcast industry and a music service. In addition the radio program was one of the first programs on its kind on iheartmedai and iheartradio.
- I am new to wikipedia and reviewed articles for electronic music radio programs and none of them have any information at all, i mentioned this to sea cow provided links and basically told me not to worry about the other articles when all they have pointing is a url to their page? I feel like im being targeted rather then helped and no matter what i do he comes back and edits it and shuts it down when other moderators have helped and provided edits to help me apply proper wikipedia writting. Mikehollins ( talk) 13:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
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CAPTAIN RAJU
(T)
13:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- I read the guide just Sea Cow suggested in his deletion of some of my edits. He said i need more then one source. I read the guide and it read.
- "We require the existence of at least one source so that the article can comply with Wikipedia:No original research's requirement that all articles be based on secondary sources."
- Promo Only is an Authority and a trade publication in the world of broadcast media. I submitted a pdf from an actual published magazine located at the sources website which list PrototypeRadio as guest speakers on two industry expert panels and a nomination for best syndicated mix show which Sea cow Deleted as he deemed PromoOnly not worthy.
- I followed instructions I event went and dug up PrototypeRadio's record labels ISNI, MusicBrainz, Discogs and other authorities, and library confirmation and added an authority confirmation. There is also a trade mark from the patent office that i dug of from the library of congress.
- Comment None of those can be used to prove notability, beyond the fact that the thing exists. MusicBrainz is a user-generated wiki, so not reliable. Discogs is user-generated, same idea. ISNI is just a number for a thing, doesn't prove it's notable. Library authority cards basically just tell you something is on the shelf. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:23, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- I believe that this article is worthy just from a historical perspective in the world of radio. Mikehollins ( talk) 13:21, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. To be clear, the notability test is not automatically cleared just because PrototypeRadio's own
self-published website about itself offers technical verification that it exists, or because people from PrototypeRadio appeared as guest speakers on two industry expert panels, or because it got a nomination for best syndicated mix show from an award that doesn't have a Wikipedia article to establish that it's notable as an award — the notability test requires journalism to be done about PrototypeRadio in
WP:GNG-worthy media outlets other than itself: that is, newspaper articles, magazine articles or books that discuss PrototypeRadio in prose that independently analyzes its significance. But none of the sources here meet that standard at all.
Not every award that exists is automatically a notability-clinching award, for example: an award has to be notable (i.e. an award that gets coverage in the media) in order to make its winners or nominees notable on that basis, and an award that you have to source to the awarding organization's own self-published content about itself, because third party media coverage about the award is not available to establish the notability of the award, does not secure the notability of a winner or nominee for that award.
And as for the number of sources, a thing does have to have multiple reliable and independent sources to be properly established as notable enough to have a Wikipedia article — one source merely stops a Wikipedia administrator from immediately smashing the delete button on sight without even having to take the article to any sort of discussion, and is not in and of itself sufficient to prevent the article from being deleted via the discussion-based prod or AFD processes: it takes several reliable sources to get an article onto safe notability ground that actually protects it from deletion discussions, and the only thing one source accomplishes is making the article ineligible to be immediately thrown into the trash can. Bearcat ( talk) 15:45, 15 March 2022 (UTC)- Is a magazine article from Radio and Records magazine notable? Mikehollins ( talk) 23:18, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- or Radio ink? Mikehollins ( talk) 23:19, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Almost entirely self-published sources used for the article, I found zero sources in Google, Gnews. No reliable discussions about the station in anything published.
Oaktree b (
talk)
00:18, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- this radio music conference program is self published? http://www.posummersessions.com/ProgramGuides/SSPG12.pdf Mikehollins ( talk) 23:21, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- this is self published? https://web.archive.org/web/20120704180728/http:/www.electricsoundstage.com/pages/showschedule.html Mikehollins ( talk) 23:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- this is self published? http://www.wildatlanta.com/pages/PrototypeRadio.html Mikehollins ( talk) 23:25, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Lacks reliable, independent and significant coverage to pass WP:NCORP. ~Styyx Talk? ^-^ 13:51, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 12:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
PrototypeRadio
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Fails WP:SIRS, doesn't have significant coverage covering the company in depth. Sea Cow ( talk) 12:46, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
list of Radio-related deletion discussions.
Sea Cow (
talk)
12:46, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- this article has nothing at all?
/info/en/?search=Global_Dance_Session
Mikehollins (
talk)
13:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Please read WP:WAX. Let it simmer and sink in a bit, and then click on /info/en/?search=Global_Dance_Session again. (Free hint: you won't find the same thing you saw when you offered it as an example, because of some of what you read in WAX.) Bearcat ( talk) 15:45, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- this article has nothing at all?
/info/en/?search=Global_Dance_Session
Mikehollins (
talk)
13:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sea Cow states that Promo Only Promotions is not an authority worthy of mention. Promoonly is regarded as one of the biggest Radio trade magazines in the broadcast industry and a music service. In addition the radio program was one of the first programs on its kind on iheartmedai and iheartradio.
- I am new to wikipedia and reviewed articles for electronic music radio programs and none of them have any information at all, i mentioned this to sea cow provided links and basically told me not to worry about the other articles when all they have pointing is a url to their page? I feel like im being targeted rather then helped and no matter what i do he comes back and edits it and shuts it down when other moderators have helped and provided edits to help me apply proper wikipedia writting. Mikehollins ( talk) 13:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
Dance,
Music, and
Internet.
CAPTAIN RAJU
(T)
13:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- I read the guide just Sea Cow suggested in his deletion of some of my edits. He said i need more then one source. I read the guide and it read.
- "We require the existence of at least one source so that the article can comply with Wikipedia:No original research's requirement that all articles be based on secondary sources."
- Promo Only is an Authority and a trade publication in the world of broadcast media. I submitted a pdf from an actual published magazine located at the sources website which list PrototypeRadio as guest speakers on two industry expert panels and a nomination for best syndicated mix show which Sea cow Deleted as he deemed PromoOnly not worthy.
- I followed instructions I event went and dug up PrototypeRadio's record labels ISNI, MusicBrainz, Discogs and other authorities, and library confirmation and added an authority confirmation. There is also a trade mark from the patent office that i dug of from the library of congress.
- Comment None of those can be used to prove notability, beyond the fact that the thing exists. MusicBrainz is a user-generated wiki, so not reliable. Discogs is user-generated, same idea. ISNI is just a number for a thing, doesn't prove it's notable. Library authority cards basically just tell you something is on the shelf. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:23, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- I believe that this article is worthy just from a historical perspective in the world of radio. Mikehollins ( talk) 13:21, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. To be clear, the notability test is not automatically cleared just because PrototypeRadio's own
self-published website about itself offers technical verification that it exists, or because people from PrototypeRadio appeared as guest speakers on two industry expert panels, or because it got a nomination for best syndicated mix show from an award that doesn't have a Wikipedia article to establish that it's notable as an award — the notability test requires journalism to be done about PrototypeRadio in
WP:GNG-worthy media outlets other than itself: that is, newspaper articles, magazine articles or books that discuss PrototypeRadio in prose that independently analyzes its significance. But none of the sources here meet that standard at all.
Not every award that exists is automatically a notability-clinching award, for example: an award has to be notable (i.e. an award that gets coverage in the media) in order to make its winners or nominees notable on that basis, and an award that you have to source to the awarding organization's own self-published content about itself, because third party media coverage about the award is not available to establish the notability of the award, does not secure the notability of a winner or nominee for that award.
And as for the number of sources, a thing does have to have multiple reliable and independent sources to be properly established as notable enough to have a Wikipedia article — one source merely stops a Wikipedia administrator from immediately smashing the delete button on sight without even having to take the article to any sort of discussion, and is not in and of itself sufficient to prevent the article from being deleted via the discussion-based prod or AFD processes: it takes several reliable sources to get an article onto safe notability ground that actually protects it from deletion discussions, and the only thing one source accomplishes is making the article ineligible to be immediately thrown into the trash can. Bearcat ( talk) 15:45, 15 March 2022 (UTC)- Is a magazine article from Radio and Records magazine notable? Mikehollins ( talk) 23:18, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- or Radio ink? Mikehollins ( talk) 23:19, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Almost entirely self-published sources used for the article, I found zero sources in Google, Gnews. No reliable discussions about the station in anything published.
Oaktree b (
talk)
00:18, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- this radio music conference program is self published? http://www.posummersessions.com/ProgramGuides/SSPG12.pdf Mikehollins ( talk) 23:21, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- this is self published? https://web.archive.org/web/20120704180728/http:/www.electricsoundstage.com/pages/showschedule.html Mikehollins ( talk) 23:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- this is self published? http://www.wildatlanta.com/pages/PrototypeRadio.html Mikehollins ( talk) 23:25, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Lacks reliable, independent and significant coverage to pass WP:NCORP. ~Styyx Talk? ^-^ 13:51, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.