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The result was redirect to West wind. Vanamonde ( Talk) 17:06, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
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There is the nice template with "eight winds of the Mediterrenean" that suggests some notable grouping, but sources are lacking here and in interwikis I checked. BEFORE shows very little; there are some non-English mentions, and some 19th century mentions in passing [1], but I have trouble verifying most of the information and estabilishing WP:GNG here. We don't have an article for winds of the Mediterranean. Not sure what we can do here, but for now we have an unreferenced OR that needs to be dealt with one way or another. Ditto for Template:Mediterranean wind rose - this template is very WP:ORish, suggesting a classification according to whom? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:04, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Italy. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:04, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - That there are barely sources in English is not surprising. They are the names of the winds of the Mediterranean, there people speak rather "other" languages. But where is the logic to delete only one of the 8 winds? Then you would have to delete all 7 other winds and their articles as well, which in my opinion is nonsense. The goal of an encyclopedia is to be a reference work, so that the ignorant can find an explanation to a term that is foreign to them. Therefore, this article must be preserved and also mentions from the 19th century are not to be discredited. --
Mike bzh
BlaBla
12:55, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
- @ Mike bzh WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Some of those other articles are referenced, and if there are concerns about them, they can be discussed in separate nominations. You present no valid reason to keep this unreferenced article (see also WP:V, WP:OR). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:37, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- I do not understand why it should be
WP:OR, since this term is not an invention and can be found in recognized dictionaries. Siehe
https://www-oxfordreference-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/view/10.1093/acref/9780198839033.001.0001/acref-9780198839033-e-6613?rskey=lAQWn7&result=1,
https://www-oxfordreference-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/view/10.1093/acref/9780199541447.001.0001/acref-9780199541447-e-3185?rskey=lAQWn7&result=2,
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/ponent. But also
Météo-France makes a description of it on its page
http://tempetes.meteo.fr/Les-vents-regionaux-mediterraneens.html or
AEMET in Spain :
https://meteoglosario.aemet.es/es/termino/970_poniente. The article should be expanded, but it's not coherent to delete it. --
Mike bzh
BlaBla
14:46, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- The term may not be ORish, but the content is very much so. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:04, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:18, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to West wind. Nothing in this article indicates this meets WP:GNG criteria for a stand-alone article. It is just a dictionary definition for an Italian term that has an English equivalent. -- Jamarast ( talk) 08:43, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:22, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:58, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to West wind per Jamarast. Waggers TALK 13:55, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was redirect to West wind. Vanamonde ( Talk) 17:06, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
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There is the nice template with "eight winds of the Mediterrenean" that suggests some notable grouping, but sources are lacking here and in interwikis I checked. BEFORE shows very little; there are some non-English mentions, and some 19th century mentions in passing [1], but I have trouble verifying most of the information and estabilishing WP:GNG here. We don't have an article for winds of the Mediterranean. Not sure what we can do here, but for now we have an unreferenced OR that needs to be dealt with one way or another. Ditto for Template:Mediterranean wind rose - this template is very WP:ORish, suggesting a classification according to whom? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:04, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Italy. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:04, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - That there are barely sources in English is not surprising. They are the names of the winds of the Mediterranean, there people speak rather "other" languages. But where is the logic to delete only one of the 8 winds? Then you would have to delete all 7 other winds and their articles as well, which in my opinion is nonsense. The goal of an encyclopedia is to be a reference work, so that the ignorant can find an explanation to a term that is foreign to them. Therefore, this article must be preserved and also mentions from the 19th century are not to be discredited. --
Mike bzh
BlaBla
12:55, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
- @ Mike bzh WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Some of those other articles are referenced, and if there are concerns about them, they can be discussed in separate nominations. You present no valid reason to keep this unreferenced article (see also WP:V, WP:OR). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:37, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- I do not understand why it should be
WP:OR, since this term is not an invention and can be found in recognized dictionaries. Siehe
https://www-oxfordreference-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/view/10.1093/acref/9780198839033.001.0001/acref-9780198839033-e-6613?rskey=lAQWn7&result=1,
https://www-oxfordreference-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/view/10.1093/acref/9780199541447.001.0001/acref-9780199541447-e-3185?rskey=lAQWn7&result=2,
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/ponent. But also
Météo-France makes a description of it on its page
http://tempetes.meteo.fr/Les-vents-regionaux-mediterraneens.html or
AEMET in Spain :
https://meteoglosario.aemet.es/es/termino/970_poniente. The article should be expanded, but it's not coherent to delete it. --
Mike bzh
BlaBla
14:46, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- The term may not be ORish, but the content is very much so. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:04, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:18, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to West wind. Nothing in this article indicates this meets WP:GNG criteria for a stand-alone article. It is just a dictionary definition for an Italian term that has an English equivalent. -- Jamarast ( talk) 08:43, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:22, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. A admin may close this discussion whenever they see a consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:58, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to West wind per Jamarast. Waggers TALK 13:55, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.