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"Piwnice" means "cellar", the location given in the article is a random house in the village of Malenin, which must be wrong. Google maps does have a location on it called Piwnice about 6 miles away, but it's empty fields. The PL wiki article includes no sources, this article is sourced only with a general reference to the TERYT database. Checking the Polish regulation on place names, this place is described as a Kolonia (i.e., not an independent village, hamlet, settlement, or town, but an extension of an existing one). Looking at the Polish statistical database, no information is found for anywhere called Piwnice in Gmina Tczew. A search online found only information about a historic beer-cellar inside the village of Tczew.
There is no evidence that this is a populated place, and quite a bit of reason to think that it is not. If it is an extension of a town/village, it is not clear which one.
If anyone is searching in Polish for a cellar in Pomerania, it is not conceivable that they would be looking to be redirected to Tczew, so I do not see any reason to redirect this.
TL;DR - fails WP:GEOLAND, WP:GNG, WP:NOPAGE, and WP:V. FOARP ( talk) 11:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Poland. FOARP ( talk) 11:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- The official place name register puts it at 54°04′23″N 18°40′38″E / 54.07306°N 18.67722°E, in Lubiszewo Tczewskie. OpenStreetMap shows a house number there, with an address in Lubiszewo Tczewskie and a Polish government website as a source, but it's unclear if there are any buildings in the trees (and puts the place name on part of the village). Peter James ( talk) 20:08, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep. TERYT confirms it exists
[1] and I see nor eason why kolonia should not pass GEOLAND. That said, other then it existing and being legally recognized, as usual, there is not much to say about it.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
07:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- In which case WP:NOPAGE is clear about what to do with this. Especially considering we can't actually verify any location for this on the map. FOARP ( talk) 08:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep. TERYT confirms it exists
[1] and I see nor eason why kolonia should not pass GEOLAND. That said, other then it existing and being legally recognized, as usual, there is not much to say about it.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
07:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:31, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:36, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus: - the redirect here would be to
Lubiszewo Tczewskie, which I would be OK with. The reason why this wouldn’t pass GEOLAND is because there is no evidence it was ever actually populated.
FOARP (
talk)
05:59, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- @ Stok, any thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:45, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:23, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus due to editor participation. Please feel free to merge/redirect editorially if desired. Daniel ( talk) 10:00, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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- Piwnice, Pomeranian Voivodeship ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Bot-created article by Kotbot, operated by retired user Kotniski.
"Piwnice" means "cellar", the location given in the article is a random house in the village of Malenin, which must be wrong. Google maps does have a location on it called Piwnice about 6 miles away, but it's empty fields. The PL wiki article includes no sources, this article is sourced only with a general reference to the TERYT database. Checking the Polish regulation on place names, this place is described as a Kolonia (i.e., not an independent village, hamlet, settlement, or town, but an extension of an existing one). Looking at the Polish statistical database, no information is found for anywhere called Piwnice in Gmina Tczew. A search online found only information about a historic beer-cellar inside the village of Tczew.
There is no evidence that this is a populated place, and quite a bit of reason to think that it is not. If it is an extension of a town/village, it is not clear which one.
If anyone is searching in Polish for a cellar in Pomerania, it is not conceivable that they would be looking to be redirected to Tczew, so I do not see any reason to redirect this.
TL;DR - fails WP:GEOLAND, WP:GNG, WP:NOPAGE, and WP:V. FOARP ( talk) 11:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Poland. FOARP ( talk) 11:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- The official place name register puts it at 54°04′23″N 18°40′38″E / 54.07306°N 18.67722°E, in Lubiszewo Tczewskie. OpenStreetMap shows a house number there, with an address in Lubiszewo Tczewskie and a Polish government website as a source, but it's unclear if there are any buildings in the trees (and puts the place name on part of the village). Peter James ( talk) 20:08, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep. TERYT confirms it exists
[1] and I see nor eason why kolonia should not pass GEOLAND. That said, other then it existing and being legally recognized, as usual, there is not much to say about it.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
07:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- In which case WP:NOPAGE is clear about what to do with this. Especially considering we can't actually verify any location for this on the map. FOARP ( talk) 08:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep. TERYT confirms it exists
[1] and I see nor eason why kolonia should not pass GEOLAND. That said, other then it existing and being legally recognized, as usual, there is not much to say about it.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
07:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:31, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:36, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- @
Piotrus: - the redirect here would be to
Lubiszewo Tczewskie, which I would be OK with. The reason why this wouldn’t pass GEOLAND is because there is no evidence it was ever actually populated.
FOARP (
talk)
05:59, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- @ Stok, any thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:45, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:23, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.