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The result was redirect to Gmina Pieniężno. Liz Read! Talk! 00:01, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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As it says on the PL Wiki article, this is an "unofficial settlement" (nieoficjalna osada). This is not listed on the TERYT database (despite the TERYT database being listed as the source...). A SIMC ID (0155100) is included on the PL Wiki page, but the TERYT database does not include a listing for this SIMC ID. If there were ever a listing for this place on TERYT, it has been removed for some reason - possibly because it was an error? There isn't any place called Pieniężno Drugie listed on the Polish regulation of place-names.
From the over-head satellite pictures it appears this is an industrial facility of some kind in the town of Pieniężno.
Fails WP:GEOLAND since there is no legal recognition nor evidence of inhabitation since it appears to be a place of business. Also fails WP:V since every source that might confirm the existence of this place comes up negative. Even if it were to somehow be confirmed, this is just a part of the town of Pieniężno and we have nothing to say about it, so WP:NOPAGE would apply. Most likely this place is a business, so WP:NCORP would need to be passed for it to have its own page.
TL;DR - fails verification, GEOLAND, WP:NCORP, WP:NOPAGE. FOARP ( talk) 08:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Poland. FOARP ( talk) 08:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. Unlike some other similar articles we've reviewed recently, here, pl wiki doesn't even say what this is a part of, so redirecting (and merging) is hard. I've started a pl wiki AfD discussion to get more input on this, let's wait and see what folks say over there? That said, I'd lean towards redirecting (and merging?) to the town of
Pieniężno, which Google maps suggests this is just an outlying district of (this entity is not in
TERYT, unlike
Pieniężno Pierwsze, which is, and which is a tad more outlying that this one, per eyeballing
the map). --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
03:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- What, exactly, warrants merging here? The article in its entirety consists of a (wrong) claim that this is a village and a link to a database that Pieniężno Drugie isn't on. FOARP ( talk) 09:22, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 09:30, 25 October 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 18:10, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- The mapping linked to the Pieniężno website
[1] does not show Pieniężno Drugie at all. When one clicks on the farm buildings in the area where Pieniężno Drugie appears on other mapping, the area shows as under
Cieszęta. So, as Google mapped boundaries indicate, despite its name, it is not part of the town of Pieniężno, but is part of the gmina. The State Register of Geographical Names - localities has it marked as an niestandaryzowana (non-standardised)=unofficial? + miejscowość(town) + osada (settlement). Doesn't appear to have presumed notability under GEOLAND so unless other sources found sufficient to pass the GNG redirect to either
Cieszęta, or
Gmina Pieniężno.
Rupples (
talk)
18:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- On balance, think it's preferable to redirect to Gmina Pieniężno where Pieniężno Drugie is already listed. Rupples ( talk) 21:33, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per FOARP's analysis and the satellite image.
- Comment. https://pieniezno.pl/galeria/20/52/1/15 shows the municipal road in Pieniężno Drugie. The English translation of the heading is Renovation of the Pieniężno Drugie municipal road. Google Street View shows a number of houses along one side of the road. Drugie translates to second and refers to the adjacent former state farm, which by the looks of it also has a residence. So it's a populated place, but without legal recognition. Google Mapping boundaries (though not always accurate) indicate Pieniężno Drugie lies just outside the town of Pieniężno. Whether it's in the town or not, it's certainly within the district. Given this, are we able to agree a redirect to Gmina Pieniężno as the most appropriate solution? Rupples ( talk) 17:36, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was redirect to Gmina Pieniężno. Liz Read! Talk! 00:01, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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- Pieniężno Drugie ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Mass-created article by Kotbot, a bot operated by retired user Kotniski.
As it says on the PL Wiki article, this is an "unofficial settlement" (nieoficjalna osada). This is not listed on the TERYT database (despite the TERYT database being listed as the source...). A SIMC ID (0155100) is included on the PL Wiki page, but the TERYT database does not include a listing for this SIMC ID. If there were ever a listing for this place on TERYT, it has been removed for some reason - possibly because it was an error? There isn't any place called Pieniężno Drugie listed on the Polish regulation of place-names.
From the over-head satellite pictures it appears this is an industrial facility of some kind in the town of Pieniężno.
Fails WP:GEOLAND since there is no legal recognition nor evidence of inhabitation since it appears to be a place of business. Also fails WP:V since every source that might confirm the existence of this place comes up negative. Even if it were to somehow be confirmed, this is just a part of the town of Pieniężno and we have nothing to say about it, so WP:NOPAGE would apply. Most likely this place is a business, so WP:NCORP would need to be passed for it to have its own page.
TL;DR - fails verification, GEOLAND, WP:NCORP, WP:NOPAGE. FOARP ( talk) 08:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Poland. FOARP ( talk) 08:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. Unlike some other similar articles we've reviewed recently, here, pl wiki doesn't even say what this is a part of, so redirecting (and merging) is hard. I've started a pl wiki AfD discussion to get more input on this, let's wait and see what folks say over there? That said, I'd lean towards redirecting (and merging?) to the town of
Pieniężno, which Google maps suggests this is just an outlying district of (this entity is not in
TERYT, unlike
Pieniężno Pierwsze, which is, and which is a tad more outlying that this one, per eyeballing
the map). --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
03:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- What, exactly, warrants merging here? The article in its entirety consists of a (wrong) claim that this is a village and a link to a database that Pieniężno Drugie isn't on. FOARP ( talk) 09:22, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 09:30, 25 October 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 18:10, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- The mapping linked to the Pieniężno website
[1] does not show Pieniężno Drugie at all. When one clicks on the farm buildings in the area where Pieniężno Drugie appears on other mapping, the area shows as under
Cieszęta. So, as Google mapped boundaries indicate, despite its name, it is not part of the town of Pieniężno, but is part of the gmina. The State Register of Geographical Names - localities has it marked as an niestandaryzowana (non-standardised)=unofficial? + miejscowość(town) + osada (settlement). Doesn't appear to have presumed notability under GEOLAND so unless other sources found sufficient to pass the GNG redirect to either
Cieszęta, or
Gmina Pieniężno.
Rupples (
talk)
18:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- On balance, think it's preferable to redirect to Gmina Pieniężno where Pieniężno Drugie is already listed. Rupples ( talk) 21:33, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per FOARP's analysis and the satellite image.
- Comment. https://pieniezno.pl/galeria/20/52/1/15 shows the municipal road in Pieniężno Drugie. The English translation of the heading is Renovation of the Pieniężno Drugie municipal road. Google Street View shows a number of houses along one side of the road. Drugie translates to second and refers to the adjacent former state farm, which by the looks of it also has a residence. So it's a populated place, but without legal recognition. Google Mapping boundaries (though not always accurate) indicate Pieniężno Drugie lies just outside the town of Pieniężno. Whether it's in the town or not, it's certainly within the district. Given this, are we able to agree a redirect to Gmina Pieniężno as the most appropriate solution? Rupples ( talk) 17:36, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.