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The result was keep. Wizardman 16:57, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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Well, per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pete Vainowski, topics meeting an SNG are not notable if not enough coverage has been found. In this case, I am not finding much at all in my search, and therefore he fails GNG. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:29, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:29, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Note: I'm not a fan of targeting Negro league players for deletion. The Negro leagues had talent on par with MLB during this period of time but due to discrimination in the mainstream white press did not receive the same level of press coverage. Before we start deleting bios on Negro league players, I believe searches should at a minimum be made of the pertinent African American (and possibly also Cuban) newspaper sources which are not always readily accessible on-line. Cbl62 ( talk) 20:30, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- The
Society for American Baseball Research has Pastor included on its list of biographies to be written (
here), but it has not yet been assigned.
Cbl62 (
talk)
20:35, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Where would African-American/Cuban newspapers be found? I though they were covered on newspapers.com.
BeanieFan11 (
talk)
20:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Very few African-American newspapers from the 1920s are available online. From my prior Negro League research, I've found decent online access for the Pittsburgh outlet and some for a NY outlet, but I'm not aware of others being available online. As for Cuba, Newpapers.com does not include any Cuban newspapers.
Cbl62 (
talk)
20:48, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Pastor is also listed ( here) by the Grupo Cubano de Investigación del Béisbol (GCIB) on its compilation of the 150 Cuban players who played in the big black leagues. This puts him among the top 150 Cuban players during the period from 1920 to 1950. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Very few African-American newspapers from the 1920s are available online. From my prior Negro League research, I've found decent online access for the Pittsburgh outlet and some for a NY outlet, but I'm not aware of others being available online. As for Cuba, Newpapers.com does not include any Cuban newspapers.
Cbl62 (
talk)
20:48, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Where would African-American/Cuban newspapers be found? I though they were covered on newspapers.com.
BeanieFan11 (
talk)
20:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- The
Society for American Baseball Research has Pastor included on its list of biographies to be written (
here), but it has not yet been assigned.
Cbl62 (
talk)
20:35, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep likewise not a fan of targeting Negro leaguers for deletion, and I think the case presented by Cbl62 convinces me that a presumption of notability is reasonable. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 17:22, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - per NBASE and per Lepricavark. I don't think that the result of one AfD for a different sport overrides the consensus developed in NBASE, and I am not a fan of targeting Negro Leaguers for deletion. It is possible that NBASE should be reconsidered in light of recognizing the Negro Leagues as a Major League - perhaps the guidelines developed for Major Leaguers prior to this development ought to be revised for Negro Leaguers - but if so that should be addressed in that way - reconsidering NBASE - rather than picking off Negro Leaguers in individual AfDs. Rlendog ( talk) 22:41, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bobherry Talk Edits 01:55, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Wizardman 16:57, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Pedro Pastor ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Well, per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pete Vainowski, topics meeting an SNG are not notable if not enough coverage has been found. In this case, I am not finding much at all in my search, and therefore he fails GNG. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:29, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:29, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:29, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cuba-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 16:46, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: I'm not a fan of targeting Negro league players for deletion. The Negro leagues had talent on par with MLB during this period of time but due to discrimination in the mainstream white press did not receive the same level of press coverage. Before we start deleting bios on Negro league players, I believe searches should at a minimum be made of the pertinent African American (and possibly also Cuban) newspaper sources which are not always readily accessible on-line. Cbl62 ( talk) 20:30, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- The
Society for American Baseball Research has Pastor included on its list of biographies to be written (
here), but it has not yet been assigned.
Cbl62 (
talk)
20:35, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Where would African-American/Cuban newspapers be found? I though they were covered on newspapers.com.
BeanieFan11 (
talk)
20:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Very few African-American newspapers from the 1920s are available online. From my prior Negro League research, I've found decent online access for the Pittsburgh outlet and some for a NY outlet, but I'm not aware of others being available online. As for Cuba, Newpapers.com does not include any Cuban newspapers.
Cbl62 (
talk)
20:48, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Pastor is also listed ( here) by the Grupo Cubano de Investigación del Béisbol (GCIB) on its compilation of the 150 Cuban players who played in the big black leagues. This puts him among the top 150 Cuban players during the period from 1920 to 1950. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Very few African-American newspapers from the 1920s are available online. From my prior Negro League research, I've found decent online access for the Pittsburgh outlet and some for a NY outlet, but I'm not aware of others being available online. As for Cuba, Newpapers.com does not include any Cuban newspapers.
Cbl62 (
talk)
20:48, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Where would African-American/Cuban newspapers be found? I though they were covered on newspapers.com.
BeanieFan11 (
talk)
20:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- The
Society for American Baseball Research has Pastor included on its list of biographies to be written (
here), but it has not yet been assigned.
Cbl62 (
talk)
20:35, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep likewise not a fan of targeting Negro leaguers for deletion, and I think the case presented by Cbl62 convinces me that a presumption of notability is reasonable. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 17:22, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - per NBASE and per Lepricavark. I don't think that the result of one AfD for a different sport overrides the consensus developed in NBASE, and I am not a fan of targeting Negro Leaguers for deletion. It is possible that NBASE should be reconsidered in light of recognizing the Negro Leagues as a Major League - perhaps the guidelines developed for Major Leaguers prior to this development ought to be revised for Negro Leaguers - but if so that should be addressed in that way - reconsidering NBASE - rather than picking off Negro Leaguers in individual AfDs. Rlendog ( talk) 22:41, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bobherry Talk Edits 01:55, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.