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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 00:22, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
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Not enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG. Currently virtually uncited (the single source mentions nothing about the group, or its members). Was draftified to encourage better sourcing, but moved back into mainspace without improvement. Onel5969 TT me 13:52, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 TT me 13:52, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:54, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Does not satisfy general notability or event notability. Robert McClenon ( talk) 14:14, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I had a discussion with the creator in my talk page here in which he said the article was written from personal knowledge and there weren’t any more sources. Mccapra ( talk) 14:37, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi guys, I am the author of the mentioned article. I published this article in the German Wikipedia last year and translated it into English, because I think that it is interesting not only for readers of the German Wikipedia, but also internationally. The article was written in the context of several other articles about the Weindorf brothers, who have been active in various music groups (their own and others) since the 1980s and are still renowned international composers and producers.
- Particularly noteworthy is the "mastermind" Hermann Weindorf, who has also been a close friend of Ian Bairnson since the early 1980s. That Ian Bairnson is one of the world's best guitarists can't be doubted, can it? Just as little is Hermann Weindorf an outstanding composer and keyboard virtuoso. Gary Brooker of Procol Harum is also a close friend of Hermann Weindorf and has made music with him. Hermann's collaborations with many other world-renowned artists are sheer. These include people like Curt Cress, Klaus Doldinger, Chris Rainbow, The Clash, The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Stanley Clarke, Richard Palmer-James, Steve Gadd etc. etc. Search at Wikipedia for more contributions by Hermann Weindorf.
- My article was originally much longer than what is now left in the English Wikipedia, because someone was of the opinion that there were not enough sources named. In fact there is a problem here: Most of the information comes from my personal correspondence with the Weindorf brothers, which was never a problem in the German Wikipedia.
- Sadly, despite his two albums (see Discogs) and participation in the production of the movie "Fire and Ice" (Willy Bogner), Panarama has never gained much worldwide fame. Nevertheless, they are international productions with internationally known artists, unfortunately totally unrecognized.
- I would be very sorry if my article, and indeed the originally longer (still findable in the version history), would be deleted.
- I hope my English is good enough to reflect what moves me at the moment. I am quite disappointed, but combative.
Remembergeorge (
talk)
17:19, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- How are “totally unrecognised” artists notable? Mccapra ( talk) 21:23, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: No indication of notability, nor any reliable sources cited. Merely self-promotional. Multi7001 ( talk) 03:07, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- I have nothing to do with Hermann Weindorf, Ian Bairnson, the label or anyone else from Panarama. So how is "self-promotion" justified? I am merely a music lover.
Remembergeorge (
talk)
16:28, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Remembergeorge, I was not referring to you; I was referring to the only reference cited in the page. The type of source is useful to validate information about the subject but merely self-promotional and cannot establish notability. Multi7001 ( talk) 20:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Folks, I added some more external links which I found. Is this suitable? Remembergeorge ( talk) 10:05, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- Practically all pages in the articlespace must have multiple reliable, independent sources only from reputable mass media (e.g., newspapers, magazines, television outlets), books, academic or medical journals, among other type of media. Multi7001 ( talk) 00:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- I added another source (a review) Remembergeorge ( talk) 10:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- So far there’s a tv listing, a blog and the website of one of the musicians. I’m afraid that doesn’t demonstrate notability. Mccapra ( talk) 09:21, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 00:22, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Panarama ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Not enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG. Currently virtually uncited (the single source mentions nothing about the group, or its members). Was draftified to encourage better sourcing, but moved back into mainspace without improvement. Onel5969 TT me 13:52, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 TT me 13:52, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:54, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Does not satisfy general notability or event notability. Robert McClenon ( talk) 14:14, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I had a discussion with the creator in my talk page here in which he said the article was written from personal knowledge and there weren’t any more sources. Mccapra ( talk) 14:37, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi guys, I am the author of the mentioned article. I published this article in the German Wikipedia last year and translated it into English, because I think that it is interesting not only for readers of the German Wikipedia, but also internationally. The article was written in the context of several other articles about the Weindorf brothers, who have been active in various music groups (their own and others) since the 1980s and are still renowned international composers and producers.
- Particularly noteworthy is the "mastermind" Hermann Weindorf, who has also been a close friend of Ian Bairnson since the early 1980s. That Ian Bairnson is one of the world's best guitarists can't be doubted, can it? Just as little is Hermann Weindorf an outstanding composer and keyboard virtuoso. Gary Brooker of Procol Harum is also a close friend of Hermann Weindorf and has made music with him. Hermann's collaborations with many other world-renowned artists are sheer. These include people like Curt Cress, Klaus Doldinger, Chris Rainbow, The Clash, The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Stanley Clarke, Richard Palmer-James, Steve Gadd etc. etc. Search at Wikipedia for more contributions by Hermann Weindorf.
- My article was originally much longer than what is now left in the English Wikipedia, because someone was of the opinion that there were not enough sources named. In fact there is a problem here: Most of the information comes from my personal correspondence with the Weindorf brothers, which was never a problem in the German Wikipedia.
- Sadly, despite his two albums (see Discogs) and participation in the production of the movie "Fire and Ice" (Willy Bogner), Panarama has never gained much worldwide fame. Nevertheless, they are international productions with internationally known artists, unfortunately totally unrecognized.
- I would be very sorry if my article, and indeed the originally longer (still findable in the version history), would be deleted.
- I hope my English is good enough to reflect what moves me at the moment. I am quite disappointed, but combative.
Remembergeorge (
talk)
17:19, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- How are “totally unrecognised” artists notable? Mccapra ( talk) 21:23, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: No indication of notability, nor any reliable sources cited. Merely self-promotional. Multi7001 ( talk) 03:07, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- I have nothing to do with Hermann Weindorf, Ian Bairnson, the label or anyone else from Panarama. So how is "self-promotion" justified? I am merely a music lover.
Remembergeorge (
talk)
16:28, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Remembergeorge, I was not referring to you; I was referring to the only reference cited in the page. The type of source is useful to validate information about the subject but merely self-promotional and cannot establish notability. Multi7001 ( talk) 20:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Folks, I added some more external links which I found. Is this suitable? Remembergeorge ( talk) 10:05, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- Practically all pages in the articlespace must have multiple reliable, independent sources only from reputable mass media (e.g., newspapers, magazines, television outlets), books, academic or medical journals, among other type of media. Multi7001 ( talk) 00:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- I added another source (a review) Remembergeorge ( talk) 10:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- So far there’s a tv listing, a blog and the website of one of the musicians. I’m afraid that doesn’t demonstrate notability. Mccapra ( talk) 09:21, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.