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The result was no consensus. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:59, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Pacific Century
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I fear this is a poor, WP:OR-violating essay. The first few paragraphs defining and analyzing the term broadly are unreferenced, then there is a random note about the existence of a documentary titled The Pacific Century, followed by two lengthy paragraphs on American policy in Asia/Pacific, based on sources that mostly do not even use this term. Perhaps this is a notable term (although this could be just redirect to Asian Century, which could discuss the usage of this term as well as of Asia-Pacific Century), but the current article makes a good case for WP:TNT. I can't even recommend a merge to Asian Century, given the above-described poor state of the article (OR about the main term+mostly irrelevant content about American policy in the region). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:43, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics, Asia, and United States of America. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:43, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hi. This Wikipedia article is the only reason I even know what "Pacific Century" means, so I'd prefer it not be deleted. I've seen the phrase used elsewhere and this was the first source. Thanks. 2600:8804:5A03:BB00:6265:C273:2376:543F ( talk) 20:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:DINC. The article needs to be rewritten, but it is neither unencyclopaedic nor factually wrong. Reliable sources exist, are persistent over time, and are independent of the subject. It is tagged correctly. There are no policy-based reasons to delete this article, and doing so would not improve the encyclopedia. Cheers, Last1in ( talk) 14:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete as there does not seem to be a coherent topic here. The article seems to contain two paragraphs of unsourced OR claiming that the term "Pacific Century" is used like "Chinese Century" or "Asian Century" to describe the 21st century, one paragraph about a PBS documentary series focused on 19th and 20th century Asian history, and two paragraphs about miscellaneous aspects of US foreign policy with respect to Asia. This is not an encyclopedic article about one subject – it's a collection of unrelated information that can vaguely be associated with the phrase "Pacific Century". —
Mx. Granger (
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16:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
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Mx. Granger I noticed
Asian_Century#Origin talks about the term "Pacific age", which would arguably be more relevant here then there, but it also further reinforces the point that this is all really the very same concept just with few different names. Redirecting this tere might be best for now?
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
04:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think that redirect makes sense, because I don't see any sources indicating that "Pacific Century" is used with a meaning related to "Asian Century". If anything, a redirect to The Pacific Century would make more sense as a variant of that title. — Mx. Granger ( talk · contribs) 19:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
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Mx. Granger I noticed
Asian_Century#Origin talks about the term "Pacific age", which would arguably be more relevant here then there, but it also further reinforces the point that this is all really the very same concept just with few different names. Redirecting this tere might be best for now?
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
04:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe ( talk) 08:58, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep There are a number of Google Scholar results for the term "Pacific Century," many independent of the term "Asia-Pacific Century." The term goes back to at least the 1980s. The article by Rosemary Foot and Andrew Walter includes a useful definition of the term and some history. -- Enos733 ( talk) 22:04, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:59, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Pacific Century
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I fear this is a poor, WP:OR-violating essay. The first few paragraphs defining and analyzing the term broadly are unreferenced, then there is a random note about the existence of a documentary titled The Pacific Century, followed by two lengthy paragraphs on American policy in Asia/Pacific, based on sources that mostly do not even use this term. Perhaps this is a notable term (although this could be just redirect to Asian Century, which could discuss the usage of this term as well as of Asia-Pacific Century), but the current article makes a good case for WP:TNT. I can't even recommend a merge to Asian Century, given the above-described poor state of the article (OR about the main term+mostly irrelevant content about American policy in the region). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:43, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics, Asia, and United States of America. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:43, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hi. This Wikipedia article is the only reason I even know what "Pacific Century" means, so I'd prefer it not be deleted. I've seen the phrase used elsewhere and this was the first source. Thanks. 2600:8804:5A03:BB00:6265:C273:2376:543F ( talk) 20:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:DINC. The article needs to be rewritten, but it is neither unencyclopaedic nor factually wrong. Reliable sources exist, are persistent over time, and are independent of the subject. It is tagged correctly. There are no policy-based reasons to delete this article, and doing so would not improve the encyclopedia. Cheers, Last1in ( talk) 14:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete as there does not seem to be a coherent topic here. The article seems to contain two paragraphs of unsourced OR claiming that the term "Pacific Century" is used like "Chinese Century" or "Asian Century" to describe the 21st century, one paragraph about a PBS documentary series focused on 19th and 20th century Asian history, and two paragraphs about miscellaneous aspects of US foreign policy with respect to Asia. This is not an encyclopedic article about one subject – it's a collection of unrelated information that can vaguely be associated with the phrase "Pacific Century". —
Mx. Granger (
talk ·
contribs)
16:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- @
Mx. Granger I noticed
Asian_Century#Origin talks about the term "Pacific age", which would arguably be more relevant here then there, but it also further reinforces the point that this is all really the very same concept just with few different names. Redirecting this tere might be best for now?
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
04:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think that redirect makes sense, because I don't see any sources indicating that "Pacific Century" is used with a meaning related to "Asian Century". If anything, a redirect to The Pacific Century would make more sense as a variant of that title. — Mx. Granger ( talk · contribs) 19:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- @
Mx. Granger I noticed
Asian_Century#Origin talks about the term "Pacific age", which would arguably be more relevant here then there, but it also further reinforces the point that this is all really the very same concept just with few different names. Redirecting this tere might be best for now?
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
04:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe ( talk) 08:58, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep There are a number of Google Scholar results for the term "Pacific Century," many independent of the term "Asia-Pacific Century." The term goes back to at least the 1980s. The article by Rosemary Foot and Andrew Walter includes a useful definition of the term and some history. -- Enos733 ( talk) 22:04, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
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