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The result was delete. Tone 18:40, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Outer Party
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This is a follow up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inner Party (3rd nomination). Outer Party is in even worse shape than the now-deleted Inner Party was (shorter, less sources, etc.) but the PROD was declined (without any useful rationale), so here we go. For the record, my PROD here was "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. (Note: cited academic paper here is unreliable)." In the current shape, this is a plot-summary mixed with OR, and I don't think it can be rewritten - Outer Party does not appear to have stand-alone notability; this could be a redirect to the possibly notable society of 1984 article once it is created one day. As for redirecting this now, while the section Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Oceania exists neither it, nor any other part of our current article on 1984 discuss the Outer Party in any detail (and as for merging, the ORish flavor of our current article is a major issue). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, fails WP:GNG, a search brought up only in-passing, in-universe mentions. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 23:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Tone 18:40, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Outer Party
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This is a follow up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inner Party (3rd nomination). Outer Party is in even worse shape than the now-deleted Inner Party was (shorter, less sources, etc.) but the PROD was declined (without any useful rationale), so here we go. For the record, my PROD here was "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. (Note: cited academic paper here is unreliable)." In the current shape, this is a plot-summary mixed with OR, and I don't think it can be rewritten - Outer Party does not appear to have stand-alone notability; this could be a redirect to the possibly notable society of 1984 article once it is created one day. As for redirecting this now, while the section Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Oceania exists neither it, nor any other part of our current article on 1984 discuss the Outer Party in any detail (and as for merging, the ORish flavor of our current article is a major issue). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, fails WP:GNG, a search brought up only in-passing, in-universe mentions. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 23:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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