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The result was delete. Per input here, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albanian Resistance in Yugoslavia and because it's a sock creation. Pick your reason. Star Mississippi 15:27, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Operation Breakthrough (Albania)
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This seems to be a made-up story. I could not find any peer-reviewed academic source elaborating with details about a plan made by Enver Hoxha to invade parts of Yugoslavia after Tito's death. The claim was made by a Russian author and it has found a place only among non-RS Albanian and Serb newspapers. The sources used in the article have no peer-review process at all, no academic background and at least one of them (B92) is quite well-known for spreading propaganda, made-up stories, fabrications and conspiracy theories. The 4th source actually does not even mention any plan for invading Yugoslavia and targeting its control over Kosovo. Per WP:RS, IMO this article should be deleted. Any reliably sourced claim for an invasion could be added to the Albania-Yugoslavia relations article, if such material is found in the future. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 20:08, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, and Albania. Shellwood ( talk) 20:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Kosovo, Serbia, and Yugoslavia. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 20:32, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Move to
Shebeniku-80 or
Operation Shebeniku-80 after the speculation and unreliably-sourced information has been removed. I agree that we don't have the references to justify an article about a plan to invade Yugoslavia, but the military exercise did take place and was notable for the number of Albanian troops involved. That being said, I think Albania's leaders spent a lot of time preparing for defensive war and saw Yugoslavia as a threat. The Albanian leadership also felt kinship with ethnic Albanians in Kosovo and probably expected to be welcomed as liberators by the Kosovars.
Eastmain (
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20:34, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Only 4 sentences in the article concern Shebeniku-80. So it would mean removing ~90% of the content and leaving 4 sentences without context. A Shebeniku-80 article would be viable only if someone found some RS and wrote a few paragraphs, including some RS-based background for context, aftermath etc. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 20:42, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete the article was created by a sockpuppet with a history of misgiving sources but there aren't even any good sources given her to misuse! — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
31.219.157.108 (
talk)
06:25, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- This IP should be a sock of User:Gugrak. The same conflicts with the other sock, the same IP geolocation. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 12:16, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- There was a recent AFD where this topic was discussed already, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albanian Resistance in Yugoslavia. A cursory search of Wikipedia for Artyom Ulunyan or Artem Ulunyan (not sure about Russian transliteration) brings up nothing else, so while this work received some mainstream news coverage, until it gets scholarly corroboration it's too early to report on in an encyclopedia. Certainly we shouldn't accommodate repetitive 'contributions' from an abuser of the account policy (the previous AFD was stuff from "NormalguyfromUK" as well). -- Joy ( talk) 12:21, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. 🌶️ Jala peño🌶️ Don't click this link! 10:05, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Per input here, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albanian Resistance in Yugoslavia and because it's a sock creation. Pick your reason. Star Mississippi 15:27, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Operation Breakthrough (Albania)
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This seems to be a made-up story. I could not find any peer-reviewed academic source elaborating with details about a plan made by Enver Hoxha to invade parts of Yugoslavia after Tito's death. The claim was made by a Russian author and it has found a place only among non-RS Albanian and Serb newspapers. The sources used in the article have no peer-review process at all, no academic background and at least one of them (B92) is quite well-known for spreading propaganda, made-up stories, fabrications and conspiracy theories. The 4th source actually does not even mention any plan for invading Yugoslavia and targeting its control over Kosovo. Per WP:RS, IMO this article should be deleted. Any reliably sourced claim for an invasion could be added to the Albania-Yugoslavia relations article, if such material is found in the future. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 20:08, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, and Albania. Shellwood ( talk) 20:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Kosovo, Serbia, and Yugoslavia. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 20:32, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Move to
Shebeniku-80 or
Operation Shebeniku-80 after the speculation and unreliably-sourced information has been removed. I agree that we don't have the references to justify an article about a plan to invade Yugoslavia, but the military exercise did take place and was notable for the number of Albanian troops involved. That being said, I think Albania's leaders spent a lot of time preparing for defensive war and saw Yugoslavia as a threat. The Albanian leadership also felt kinship with ethnic Albanians in Kosovo and probably expected to be welcomed as liberators by the Kosovars.
Eastmain (
talk •
contribs)
20:34, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Only 4 sentences in the article concern Shebeniku-80. So it would mean removing ~90% of the content and leaving 4 sentences without context. A Shebeniku-80 article would be viable only if someone found some RS and wrote a few paragraphs, including some RS-based background for context, aftermath etc. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 20:42, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete the article was created by a sockpuppet with a history of misgiving sources but there aren't even any good sources given her to misuse! — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
31.219.157.108 (
talk)
06:25, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- This IP should be a sock of User:Gugrak. The same conflicts with the other sock, the same IP geolocation. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 12:16, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- There was a recent AFD where this topic was discussed already, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albanian Resistance in Yugoslavia. A cursory search of Wikipedia for Artyom Ulunyan or Artem Ulunyan (not sure about Russian transliteration) brings up nothing else, so while this work received some mainstream news coverage, until it gets scholarly corroboration it's too early to report on in an encyclopedia. Certainly we shouldn't accommodate repetitive 'contributions' from an abuser of the account policy (the previous AFD was stuff from "NormalguyfromUK" as well). -- Joy ( talk) 12:21, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. 🌶️ Jala peño🌶️ Don't click this link! 10:05, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.