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- Nicholas Nixo Efthimiou ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Nothing notable about this individual. Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 17:19, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:GNG. KGirlTrucker81 talk what I'm been doing 19:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable. Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback) 21:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Keep He seems to be notable since he has played in a full professional league & won 2 championships. Cr71946 (talk)11:15, 12 August 2016 (UTC) — Cr71946 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.Struck !vote by blocked sock. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)Keep This article is about an American Soccer Player who also played for the US National national team in the United States national futsal team in Brazil in 1998, that is quite a history. [1]Struck !vote by blocked sock. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
- Although his career evolved at the time when there were not much media coverage, He is adequately mentioned in newspaper publication [2], he is mentioned on his club official website as well [3] and other archive articles for ESPN [4].
- He also runs an appearal company called "Never Say Never" (NSN) company sponsored the practice jersies in the 1998 season for Dallas Sidekicks FC.
- Other of his team mates which I won't want to mention their names, have their pages online with even no references. That is not an exaggeration.
- This was created as a STUB, with room for improvement, I don't see why this should be a speedy deletion. This is an article that solely passes information about a Soccer player, who also played for the USA national team. I believe this is worth keeping. Vienolly ( talk) 15:52, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 13:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG - subject may be mentioned, but there is nothing significant about that coverage. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 20:13, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 20:14, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication of any collage award to satisfy NCOLLATH. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy either NHSPHSATH or wider GNG. COmments above voting keep are misguided, this individual has not played in a fully professional league and NFOOTY does not consider futsal players, these must be shown to pass wider GNG. Sources noted above are either primary sources or are passing mentions in articles not focussed on this player. Fenix down ( talk) 11:48, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Too many of the references are local articles or mere notices, or lists. The first step is tto move it to Draaft space and rewrite it without the fluff. DGG ( talk ) 00:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep This article is about an American Soccer Player that played for his country and that is always notable. How can playing and representing your country not be notable. Sure it needs a little editing but as far as notability, he is very notable. Opera woman (Talk) 5:02,August 18,2016 (UTC) — Preceding
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- Delete As failing WP:NFOOTY. He did play for a national team, however futsal is not considered for this area. While I am a huge fan of indoor soccer, he just doesn't pass WP:NFOOTY. RickinBaltimore ( talk) 13:53, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails WP:FOOTY as he has not played in a fully professional league or in an international match (no, five-a-side doesn't count).-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 13:59, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Keep This article has been edited and please check your research & read this again because he IS notable because not only did he win the 1993 C.I.S.L. Continental Indoor Soccer League championship with the Dallas Sidekicks,which has a page on Wikipedia clearly stating it was a professional league. As far the US National Team (Team USA,the same),it is very very notable making any US National Team which means you were selected as the best in our country among 350 million people. With all do respect please do your research before posting delete. Please read the C.I.S.L. page on Wikipedia about what it says about the Continental indoor soccer league being a professional league. . Mollyhighpoint (Talk) 3:03,August 20,2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mollyhighpoint ( talk • contribs)- — Mollyhighpoint ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Above vote was made by confirmed sockpuppet of page creater -- Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 18:23, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Can someone explain how he played for FC Dallas in 1990/1991? Nfitz ( talk) 17:07, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
Keep He DOES meet NFOOTY and NCOLLATH. He is notable 2 times over. He played professional soccer in the C.S.L. Continental Indoor Soccer League Efthimiou has had a book published on about him. [5] [6] . Miaham1987 (Talk) 11:09,August 20,2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miaham1987 ( talk • contribs) 18:12, 20 August 2016 (UTC)- — Miaham1987 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Above vote was made by confirmed sockpuppet of page creater -- Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 18:23, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- Answer It isn't the same Dallas F.C. of the MISL. This F.C. Dallas is not the same team. This F.C. Dallas was another team almost 25 years and the league the Lone Star Soccer Alliance,go there and check out the championships won by all teams in the Lone Star Soccer Alliance and you will see it there 1991 Champions. Hope that I answered your question. Thanks. [7]( talk) 11:24, 20 August —Preceding undated comment added 18:26, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
- Ah - okay, I've fixed linking errors in article. And added some other links. BTW, don't reference Wikipedia articles - just link them. Nfitz ( talk) 19:31, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
References
- ^ "U.S. Futsal squad heads to Brazilian tournament". Archive: Associated Press Sports.
- ^ "The Cavalier Daily". Google News Archive Search.
- ^ "Dallas Sidekicks Player Register". Archive: ESPN.
- ^ "Never Say Never, Small". Archive: ESPN.
- ^ https://books.google.com/books/about/Nick_Efthimiou.html?id=hHiTtwAACAAJ
- ^ http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/nick-efthimiou-evander-luther/1108203604
- ^ /info/en/?search=Lone_Star_Soccer_Alliance
- Keep - ignoring all the issues in this article, MISL was always considered a fully-professional league. This player has played for a main-stream, well publicized, international fully-professional sports league (they had major main-stream media coverage in the day - for those old enough to remember). Everyone's time would be better spent improving the clearly problematic article than trying to delete it. Nfitz ( talk) 19:30, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
- Not according to
WP:FPL. -
Presidentman
talk ·
contribs (
Talkback)
22:05, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- That list no longer covers any indoor soccer leagues. When it did, it was listed, and the discusion (see the talk) does confirm it's fully professional.
Nfitz (
talk)
22:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- But it doesn't now, so you can't use it as a keep rationale, you need to show wider GNG. Fenix down ( talk) 07:34, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
- That list no longer covers any indoor soccer leagues. When it did, it was listed, and the discusion (see the talk) does confirm it's fully professional.
Nfitz (
talk)
22:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- Not according to
WP:FPL. -
Presidentman
talk ·
contribs (
Talkback)
22:05, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone 13:13, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - This article was deleted twice before at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicos Efthimiou and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nick Efthimiou, and the same rationales still apply, not to mention that fact that it was created in evasion of a block. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 14:36, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 18:57, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - The point raised by Sir Sputnik is a very important one. It is important that the correct process is followed and, in this case, it really hasn't been followed at all. Most importantly, the player still does not meet the criteria nor did he before. Spiderone 10:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
- Not according to
WP:FPL. -
Presidentman
talk ·
contribs (
Talkback)
22:05, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- That list no longer covers any indoor soccer leagues. When it did, it was listed, and the discusion (see the talk) does confirm it's fully professional.
- Not according to
WP:FPL. -
Presidentman
talk ·
contribs (
Talkback)
22:05, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - It needs to be written again properly but he does meet WP:FPL, WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL,because he played for and won a Continental Indoor Soccer League championship in 1993 which clearly states it was a professional soccer league right here on Wikipedia under Continental Indoor Soccer League. It also meets WP:FPL. because it also states here on Wikipedia that the article has missing lists and needs some more sources which the Continental Indoor Soccer League is and has. ( 209.180.146.203 ( talk) 01:28, 25 August 2016 (UTC))
- — 209.180.146.203 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete. No evidence for the subject having played in a fully professional soccer/football league, or for his meeting the general notability criteria. This is the umpteenth recreation of an article on this person by a succession of sockpuppets: see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vienolly and the related Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Soccerumors/Archive. We shouldn't be wasting time here that could be spent on improving the encyclopedia. Struway2 ( talk) 09:06, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Randykitty ( talk) 19:52, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
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- Nicholas Nixo Efthimiou ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Nothing notable about this individual. Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 17:19, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:GNG. KGirlTrucker81 talk what I'm been doing 19:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable. Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback) 21:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Keep He seems to be notable since he has played in a full professional league & won 2 championships. Cr71946 (talk)11:15, 12 August 2016 (UTC) — Cr71946 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.Struck !vote by blocked sock. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)Keep This article is about an American Soccer Player who also played for the US National national team in the United States national futsal team in Brazil in 1998, that is quite a history. [1]Struck !vote by blocked sock. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
- Although his career evolved at the time when there were not much media coverage, He is adequately mentioned in newspaper publication [2], he is mentioned on his club official website as well [3] and other archive articles for ESPN [4].
- He also runs an appearal company called "Never Say Never" (NSN) company sponsored the practice jersies in the 1998 season for Dallas Sidekicks FC.
- Other of his team mates which I won't want to mention their names, have their pages online with even no references. That is not an exaggeration.
- This was created as a STUB, with room for improvement, I don't see why this should be a speedy deletion. This is an article that solely passes information about a Soccer player, who also played for the USA national team. I believe this is worth keeping. Vienolly ( talk) 15:52, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 13:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG - subject may be mentioned, but there is nothing significant about that coverage. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 20:13, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 20:14, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 20:14, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 20:16, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication of any collage award to satisfy NCOLLATH. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy either NHSPHSATH or wider GNG. COmments above voting keep are misguided, this individual has not played in a fully professional league and NFOOTY does not consider futsal players, these must be shown to pass wider GNG. Sources noted above are either primary sources or are passing mentions in articles not focussed on this player. Fenix down ( talk) 11:48, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Too many of the references are local articles or mere notices, or lists. The first step is tto move it to Draaft space and rewrite it without the fluff. DGG ( talk ) 00:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep This article is about an American Soccer Player that played for his country and that is always notable. How can playing and representing your country not be notable. Sure it needs a little editing but as far as notability, he is very notable. Opera woman (Talk) 5:02,August 18,2016 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
4.14.67.195 (
talk)
- — 4.14.67.195 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This discussion appears to still be ongoing... J04n( talk page) 13:26, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n( talk page) 13:26, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Relisting comment: This discussion appears to still be ongoing... J04n( talk page) 13:26, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n( talk page) 13:26, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete As failing WP:NFOOTY. He did play for a national team, however futsal is not considered for this area. While I am a huge fan of indoor soccer, he just doesn't pass WP:NFOOTY. RickinBaltimore ( talk) 13:53, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails WP:FOOTY as he has not played in a fully professional league or in an international match (no, five-a-side doesn't count).-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 13:59, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Keep This article has been edited and please check your research & read this again because he IS notable because not only did he win the 1993 C.I.S.L. Continental Indoor Soccer League championship with the Dallas Sidekicks,which has a page on Wikipedia clearly stating it was a professional league. As far the US National Team (Team USA,the same),it is very very notable making any US National Team which means you were selected as the best in our country among 350 million people. With all do respect please do your research before posting delete. Please read the C.I.S.L. page on Wikipedia about what it says about the Continental indoor soccer league being a professional league. . Mollyhighpoint (Talk) 3:03,August 20,2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mollyhighpoint ( talk • contribs)- — Mollyhighpoint ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Above vote was made by confirmed sockpuppet of page creater -- Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 18:23, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Can someone explain how he played for FC Dallas in 1990/1991? Nfitz ( talk) 17:07, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
Keep He DOES meet NFOOTY and NCOLLATH. He is notable 2 times over. He played professional soccer in the C.S.L. Continental Indoor Soccer League Efthimiou has had a book published on about him. [5] [6] . Miaham1987 (Talk) 11:09,August 20,2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miaham1987 ( talk • contribs) 18:12, 20 August 2016 (UTC)- — Miaham1987 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Above vote was made by confirmed sockpuppet of page creater -- Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 18:23, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- Answer It isn't the same Dallas F.C. of the MISL. This F.C. Dallas is not the same team. This F.C. Dallas was another team almost 25 years and the league the Lone Star Soccer Alliance,go there and check out the championships won by all teams in the Lone Star Soccer Alliance and you will see it there 1991 Champions. Hope that I answered your question. Thanks. [7]( talk) 11:24, 20 August —Preceding undated comment added 18:26, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
- Ah - okay, I've fixed linking errors in article. And added some other links. BTW, don't reference Wikipedia articles - just link them. Nfitz ( talk) 19:31, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
References
- ^ "U.S. Futsal squad heads to Brazilian tournament". Archive: Associated Press Sports.
- ^ "The Cavalier Daily". Google News Archive Search.
- ^ "Dallas Sidekicks Player Register". Archive: ESPN.
- ^ "Never Say Never, Small". Archive: ESPN.
- ^ https://books.google.com/books/about/Nick_Efthimiou.html?id=hHiTtwAACAAJ
- ^ http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/nick-efthimiou-evander-luther/1108203604
- ^ /info/en/?search=Lone_Star_Soccer_Alliance
- Keep - ignoring all the issues in this article, MISL was always considered a fully-professional league. This player has played for a main-stream, well publicized, international fully-professional sports league (they had major main-stream media coverage in the day - for those old enough to remember). Everyone's time would be better spent improving the clearly problematic article than trying to delete it. Nfitz ( talk) 19:30, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
- Not according to
WP:FPL. -
Presidentman
talk ·
contribs (
Talkback)
22:05, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- That list no longer covers any indoor soccer leagues. When it did, it was listed, and the discusion (see the talk) does confirm it's fully professional.
Nfitz (
talk)
22:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- But it doesn't now, so you can't use it as a keep rationale, you need to show wider GNG. Fenix down ( talk) 07:34, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
- That list no longer covers any indoor soccer leagues. When it did, it was listed, and the discusion (see the talk) does confirm it's fully professional.
Nfitz (
talk)
22:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- Not according to
WP:FPL. -
Presidentman
talk ·
contribs (
Talkback)
22:05, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone 13:13, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - This article was deleted twice before at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicos Efthimiou and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nick Efthimiou, and the same rationales still apply, not to mention that fact that it was created in evasion of a block. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 14:36, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 18:57, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - The point raised by Sir Sputnik is a very important one. It is important that the correct process is followed and, in this case, it really hasn't been followed at all. Most importantly, the player still does not meet the criteria nor did he before. Spiderone 10:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
- Not according to
WP:FPL. -
Presidentman
talk ·
contribs (
Talkback)
22:05, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- That list no longer covers any indoor soccer leagues. When it did, it was listed, and the discusion (see the talk) does confirm it's fully professional.
- Not according to
WP:FPL. -
Presidentman
talk ·
contribs (
Talkback)
22:05, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - It needs to be written again properly but he does meet WP:FPL, WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL,because he played for and won a Continental Indoor Soccer League championship in 1993 which clearly states it was a professional soccer league right here on Wikipedia under Continental Indoor Soccer League. It also meets WP:FPL. because it also states here on Wikipedia that the article has missing lists and needs some more sources which the Continental Indoor Soccer League is and has. ( 209.180.146.203 ( talk) 01:28, 25 August 2016 (UTC))
- — 209.180.146.203 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete. No evidence for the subject having played in a fully professional soccer/football league, or for his meeting the general notability criteria. This is the umpteenth recreation of an article on this person by a succession of sockpuppets: see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vienolly and the related Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Soccerumors/Archive. We shouldn't be wasting time here that could be spent on improving the encyclopedia. Struway2 ( talk) 09:06, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.