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Fail to see how this musician is notable, almost all the sources are primary or are mainly about his controversy. No chart placings, no official signings, fails
WP:NMUSICCeethekreator (
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19:50, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. The subject fails
WP:MUSICBIO. The subject is an up-and-coming artist who is known only for his collaborative effort on the popular song "Issa Goal". Outside of that one song, the artist does not have a career to speak of. The subject has not won any major awards in Nigeria. He is more known for his alleged involvement in
Advance-fee scam. The subject was recently arrested by the
EFCC and is currently awaiting trial. @
Richard3120: Nigeria does not have an official music chart.
Versace1608Wanna Talk?22:21, 20 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep There is no official Nigeria music chart but the subject's song Am I a Yahoo boy is No.4 on the official Nigeria Itunes chart
[1] and the song has over 1.4million views on Youtube.
[2] The subjects being in the news for over two weeks has made him notable.
Haylad (
talk)
16:21, 22 May 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Blumpf: Citing numerous sources relating to his arrest doesn't make him notable. Marley fails
WP:MUSICBIO. With the exception of the ID source, all of the remaining sources is about the songs "Issa Goal", "Wagon", and "Japa" and "Drummer Boy". Keep in mind that while these sources are about said songs, none of these songs pass
WP:NSONG. Like I said earlier, Naira Marley is an up-and-coming artist who is now known more for his alleged involvement in 419.
Versace1608Wanna Talk?18:33, 27 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Weak Delete: I will basing my arguments in two parts, the first being pre-fraud Marley, while the second is post-fraud Marley.
Starting with the first. I believe this is one of those few cases where a musical artist has contributed to a notable song, but the song didn't confer sufficient notability to the musician. I believe "Issa Goal" passes
WP:NSONG, and can have its own independent article but seeing that it was a collaborative work with other artist, I do not think it makes Marley to pass
WP:NMUSICIAN. As stated by other commentators, he's still fairly new in the music industry and will likely pass
WP:NMUSICIAN in the future, but at the moment I'm not convinced he meets it. I've also gone through multiple sources that covers his career as a artist (pre-fraud perspective), and they don't seem to be sufficient enough for GNG either.
Now speaking about the second scenario, let me remind us that this is a biographical article, and if there is so much interest/coverage in his fraud case, I suggest a
Naira Marley arrest or
Naira Marley fraud case article that will outline the dramatic itinerary of events leading to his arrest, release and trial. Information such as his lyrical content glorifying 419, making comments in defense of 419, his beef with Simi on 419 before his arrest, notable reactions to his arrest, etc will be included in the article. While I agree that the fraud case is a notable one that will always be referenced when it comes to celebrities and advance fee scams, I do not think it should be used to keep the article. In my opinion, we'll be setting a wrong precedence to what Wikipedia biographies is meant to cover.
HandsomeBoy (
talk)
18:52, 2 June 2019 (UTC)reply
It doesn't make sense to me to have an article about the case but not the musician. It's not being reported on because of unique aspects of the crime like being one of the highest value fraud cases or having a very large number of victims. It's because of the person involved.
Delete. The "delete" arguments are more persuasive. There are almost no serious arguments that the person is notable as a musician; an online chart doesn't confer notability. Which leaves us with the coverage related to his legal problems, but that is a
WP:BLP1E case. Sandstein 14:39, 9 June 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Fail to see how this musician is notable, almost all the sources are primary or are mainly about his controversy. No chart placings, no official signings, fails
WP:NMUSICCeethekreator (
talk)
19:50, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. The subject fails
WP:MUSICBIO. The subject is an up-and-coming artist who is known only for his collaborative effort on the popular song "Issa Goal". Outside of that one song, the artist does not have a career to speak of. The subject has not won any major awards in Nigeria. He is more known for his alleged involvement in
Advance-fee scam. The subject was recently arrested by the
EFCC and is currently awaiting trial. @
Richard3120: Nigeria does not have an official music chart.
Versace1608Wanna Talk?22:21, 20 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep There is no official Nigeria music chart but the subject's song Am I a Yahoo boy is No.4 on the official Nigeria Itunes chart
[1] and the song has over 1.4million views on Youtube.
[2] The subjects being in the news for over two weeks has made him notable.
Haylad (
talk)
16:21, 22 May 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Blumpf: Citing numerous sources relating to his arrest doesn't make him notable. Marley fails
WP:MUSICBIO. With the exception of the ID source, all of the remaining sources is about the songs "Issa Goal", "Wagon", and "Japa" and "Drummer Boy". Keep in mind that while these sources are about said songs, none of these songs pass
WP:NSONG. Like I said earlier, Naira Marley is an up-and-coming artist who is now known more for his alleged involvement in 419.
Versace1608Wanna Talk?18:33, 27 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Weak Delete: I will basing my arguments in two parts, the first being pre-fraud Marley, while the second is post-fraud Marley.
Starting with the first. I believe this is one of those few cases where a musical artist has contributed to a notable song, but the song didn't confer sufficient notability to the musician. I believe "Issa Goal" passes
WP:NSONG, and can have its own independent article but seeing that it was a collaborative work with other artist, I do not think it makes Marley to pass
WP:NMUSICIAN. As stated by other commentators, he's still fairly new in the music industry and will likely pass
WP:NMUSICIAN in the future, but at the moment I'm not convinced he meets it. I've also gone through multiple sources that covers his career as a artist (pre-fraud perspective), and they don't seem to be sufficient enough for GNG either.
Now speaking about the second scenario, let me remind us that this is a biographical article, and if there is so much interest/coverage in his fraud case, I suggest a
Naira Marley arrest or
Naira Marley fraud case article that will outline the dramatic itinerary of events leading to his arrest, release and trial. Information such as his lyrical content glorifying 419, making comments in defense of 419, his beef with Simi on 419 before his arrest, notable reactions to his arrest, etc will be included in the article. While I agree that the fraud case is a notable one that will always be referenced when it comes to celebrities and advance fee scams, I do not think it should be used to keep the article. In my opinion, we'll be setting a wrong precedence to what Wikipedia biographies is meant to cover.
HandsomeBoy (
talk)
18:52, 2 June 2019 (UTC)reply
It doesn't make sense to me to have an article about the case but not the musician. It's not being reported on because of unique aspects of the crime like being one of the highest value fraud cases or having a very large number of victims. It's because of the person involved.
Delete. The "delete" arguments are more persuasive. There are almost no serious arguments that the person is notable as a musician; an online chart doesn't confer notability. Which leaves us with the coverage related to his legal problems, but that is a
WP:BLP1E case. Sandstein 14:39, 9 June 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.