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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Lourdes 12:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
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Another Swedish death punk metal rock band article whose only reference is to an encyclopedia entry on a website that presumably covers all such bands. Also, a link to the band's website. No awards have been won, no apparent discussion in reliable published sources. No albums have been put out under major labels, no certified gold albums, no national chartings, none of the things you would expect for a notable band. Fails WP:BAND. A loose noose ( talk) 05:58, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 ( 🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 10:36, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 ( 🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 10:36, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep - After a few seconds of search I see there is a extensive coverage in the Metal genre like from
Östgöta Correspondenten,
Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles and
Blabbermouth.net.
[1]
[2]
[3] Easily passes many
WP:MUSIC. The nom needs to understand per
WP:NOTABILITY they can't just determine notability of a topic only based on what sources are currently in the article.--
Oakshade (
talk)
06:00, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Look: the third article referenced here doesn't even have an author; the Blabbermouth article is virtually nothing more than a tracklist; I tried to read an English translation of the first article, but couldn't even understand it. If showing notability is this difficult or tricky, maybe the notability isn't... real?
A loose noose (
talk)
10:58, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Not having an author listed is a red herring as that is common with reliable sources (The BBC for example rarely lists authors). The Blabbermouth article does have more than simply a track listing and not being able to read Swedish is not a reason to discredit a reliable source as WP:GNG makes it explicitly clear that a reliable source can be in "any language." Yes it can be difficult or tricky to establish notability of non-English language-based topics as coverage in English or Latin characters can be hard to find - See Wikipedia:Systemic bias. A majority of the articles I created are non-English topics for the very reason you stated, English WP editors frequently find it difficult or tricky to edit articles of notable topics not very well known in the English-speaking world yet they are notable topics. -- Oakshade ( talk) 14:57, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Look: the third article referenced here doesn't even have an author; the Blabbermouth article is virtually nothing more than a tracklist; I tried to read an English translation of the first article, but couldn't even understand it. If showing notability is this difficult or tricky, maybe the notability isn't... real?
A loose noose (
talk)
10:58, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Per research done above. WP:GNG met. BabbaQ ( talk) 10:49, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Oakshade has made a convincing argument on non-English sources, and overall the band (just barely) has enough media notice to qualify for a basic stub article. The current article needs cleanup and expansion. Also note that the nominator of this AfD has done the same for five of the band's albums, currently listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Albums and songs. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 19:33, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per arguments above. ~SML • TP 19:16, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Lourdes 12:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
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Another Swedish death punk metal rock band article whose only reference is to an encyclopedia entry on a website that presumably covers all such bands. Also, a link to the band's website. No awards have been won, no apparent discussion in reliable published sources. No albums have been put out under major labels, no certified gold albums, no national chartings, none of the things you would expect for a notable band. Fails WP:BAND. A loose noose ( talk) 05:58, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 ( 🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 10:36, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 ( 🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 10:36, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 ( 🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 10:36, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - After a few seconds of search I see there is a extensive coverage in the Metal genre like from
Östgöta Correspondenten,
Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles and
Blabbermouth.net.
[1]
[2]
[3] Easily passes many
WP:MUSIC. The nom needs to understand per
WP:NOTABILITY they can't just determine notability of a topic only based on what sources are currently in the article.--
Oakshade (
talk)
06:00, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Look: the third article referenced here doesn't even have an author; the Blabbermouth article is virtually nothing more than a tracklist; I tried to read an English translation of the first article, but couldn't even understand it. If showing notability is this difficult or tricky, maybe the notability isn't... real?
A loose noose (
talk)
10:58, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Not having an author listed is a red herring as that is common with reliable sources (The BBC for example rarely lists authors). The Blabbermouth article does have more than simply a track listing and not being able to read Swedish is not a reason to discredit a reliable source as WP:GNG makes it explicitly clear that a reliable source can be in "any language." Yes it can be difficult or tricky to establish notability of non-English language-based topics as coverage in English or Latin characters can be hard to find - See Wikipedia:Systemic bias. A majority of the articles I created are non-English topics for the very reason you stated, English WP editors frequently find it difficult or tricky to edit articles of notable topics not very well known in the English-speaking world yet they are notable topics. -- Oakshade ( talk) 14:57, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Look: the third article referenced here doesn't even have an author; the Blabbermouth article is virtually nothing more than a tracklist; I tried to read an English translation of the first article, but couldn't even understand it. If showing notability is this difficult or tricky, maybe the notability isn't... real?
A loose noose (
talk)
10:58, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Per research done above. WP:GNG met. BabbaQ ( talk) 10:49, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Oakshade has made a convincing argument on non-English sources, and overall the band (just barely) has enough media notice to qualify for a basic stub article. The current article needs cleanup and expansion. Also note that the nominator of this AfD has done the same for five of the band's albums, currently listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Albums and songs. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 19:33, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per arguments above. ~SML • TP 19:16, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
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