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The result was delete. Yunshui 雲 水 08:51, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Minako Hamano
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Has composed music for some notable games but does not seem to satisfy GNG or any particular SNG. Could not locate any significant coverage in either Japanese or English merely credit for songs composed. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 20:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
As a point of procedure, could you please avoid referring to Wikipedia policies with short acronyms and link to the text of the policy? I think that would make the discussion easier to follow for people that aren't experts in deleting Wikipedia articles. Drj11 ( talk) 07:49, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
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- weak keep Since she appears on the fr and ja wikipedias, although those are stub articles too. I'm surprised there isn't acknowledgement of the composer she works with Kenji Yamamoto. I feel like people who work together should probably have separate articles on wikipedia. We don't want the Donna Strickland fiasco again. Sorry, i don't know the wikipedia policies that are relevant here. Fred ( talk) 16:00, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- As an aside to the point of her working with Kenji Tamamoto, notability isn't inherited. JC7V -constructive zone 22:12, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- She has an article on Catalan Wikipedia as well. (And if someone could add those cross-wiki links under the current process, I'd appreciate it. I can't figure out the new interface on that stuff, so I just stuck them in the body of the article.) -
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20:54, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
- That another Wikipedia has an article doesn't mean notability is met on this one. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Minako Hamano composed music for Link's Awakening which received a Nintendo Power award for its sound and music. usgamer.net ran an article dedicated to the soundtrack for Link's Awakening describing it as "a powerful soundtrack that's unrivalled on the Game Boy". Minako Hamano composed music for Super Metroid which factmag.com lists in the top 5 best SNES soundtracks. That makes them notable compositions. Her work has been remixed and rearranged by other composers in the video game industry. Her work (in Super Metroid) has been arranged for and by at least two world class orchestras: The London Philharmonic Orchestra and WDR Funkhausorchester Köln. Her work (again in Super Metroid) has been sampled by others several times, and in particular by Vast Aire https://www.whosampled.com/sample/235824/Vast-Aire-Kenyattah-Black-The-Cannon-of-Samus-Minako-Hamano-Opening-(Destroyed-Science-Academy-Research-Station)/. These meet the standard for WP:COMPOSER. Drj11 ( talk) 08:16, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, award-winning composer, seems sufficiently notable to deserve an article. - 208.81.148.195 ( talk) 20:52, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete unfortunately I don't think she passes
WP:GNG or
WP:NMUSIC. While
Link's Awakening did win a Nintendo Power Award for sound, that award isn't on the notability criteria list (it's just a video game award given
Nintendo Power magazine; the most relevant SNG criteron in this case would be
WP:NVIDEOGAMES, which points out that
awards and nominations do not by themselves demonstrate a game's notability
, so I would assume the same for the video game soundtrack). Nor can we use the fact that she has article in other wikiprojects, as they may have simply created articles there because we had one here ( WP:CIRCULAR). I think we have to rely on GNG here, and unfortunately I have to agree with the nominator: I'm just not seeing anything that resembles sufficient in-depth coverage in reliable sources to merit a standalone article. If the music were that notable, I would have expected more coverage of it in the Link's Awakening article; unfortunately there is only passing mention (a little more than one small paragraph) of it there as well. I would support someone expanding the music coverage in Link's Awakening, perhaps even creating its own subsection. CThomas3 ( talk) 20:43, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 04:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 04:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete don't think she passes GNG or WP:MUSIC. There are few indepedent and reliable sources that would allow expansion for her article beyond what she has composed etc. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 08:46, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. On the custom WP:VG/RS search engine, Hamano is mentioned frequently, but just in passing, in relation to her work. There's no in-depth coverage on the person. The award for Link's Awakening was for its "graphics and sound", not for the music and it wasn't awarded to Hamano. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete She doesn't pass WP:Nmusic, not much has changed since the last AFD (which was a delete) and only passing mentions.Notabilityy isn't inherited and her working with other notable people or working on popular video games doesn't give her an automatic pass. JC7V -constructive zone 16:27, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Yunshui 雲 水 08:51, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Minako Hamano
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Has composed music for some notable games but does not seem to satisfy GNG or any particular SNG. Could not locate any significant coverage in either Japanese or English merely credit for songs composed. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 20:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
As a point of procedure, could you please avoid referring to Wikipedia policies with short acronyms and link to the text of the policy? I think that would make the discussion easier to follow for people that aren't experts in deleting Wikipedia articles. Drj11 ( talk) 07:49, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:32, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:32, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- weak keep Since she appears on the fr and ja wikipedias, although those are stub articles too. I'm surprised there isn't acknowledgement of the composer she works with Kenji Yamamoto. I feel like people who work together should probably have separate articles on wikipedia. We don't want the Donna Strickland fiasco again. Sorry, i don't know the wikipedia policies that are relevant here. Fred ( talk) 16:00, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- As an aside to the point of her working with Kenji Tamamoto, notability isn't inherited. JC7V -constructive zone 22:12, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- She has an article on Catalan Wikipedia as well. (And if someone could add those cross-wiki links under the current process, I'd appreciate it. I can't figure out the new interface on that stuff, so I just stuck them in the body of the article.) -
208.81.148.195 (
talk)
20:54, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
- That another Wikipedia has an article doesn't mean notability is met on this one. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Minako Hamano composed music for Link's Awakening which received a Nintendo Power award for its sound and music. usgamer.net ran an article dedicated to the soundtrack for Link's Awakening describing it as "a powerful soundtrack that's unrivalled on the Game Boy". Minako Hamano composed music for Super Metroid which factmag.com lists in the top 5 best SNES soundtracks. That makes them notable compositions. Her work has been remixed and rearranged by other composers in the video game industry. Her work (in Super Metroid) has been arranged for and by at least two world class orchestras: The London Philharmonic Orchestra and WDR Funkhausorchester Köln. Her work (again in Super Metroid) has been sampled by others several times, and in particular by Vast Aire https://www.whosampled.com/sample/235824/Vast-Aire-Kenyattah-Black-The-Cannon-of-Samus-Minako-Hamano-Opening-(Destroyed-Science-Academy-Research-Station)/. These meet the standard for WP:COMPOSER. Drj11 ( talk) 08:16, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, award-winning composer, seems sufficiently notable to deserve an article. - 208.81.148.195 ( talk) 20:52, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete unfortunately I don't think she passes
WP:GNG or
WP:NMUSIC. While
Link's Awakening did win a Nintendo Power Award for sound, that award isn't on the notability criteria list (it's just a video game award given
Nintendo Power magazine; the most relevant SNG criteron in this case would be
WP:NVIDEOGAMES, which points out that
awards and nominations do not by themselves demonstrate a game's notability
, so I would assume the same for the video game soundtrack). Nor can we use the fact that she has article in other wikiprojects, as they may have simply created articles there because we had one here ( WP:CIRCULAR). I think we have to rely on GNG here, and unfortunately I have to agree with the nominator: I'm just not seeing anything that resembles sufficient in-depth coverage in reliable sources to merit a standalone article. If the music were that notable, I would have expected more coverage of it in the Link's Awakening article; unfortunately there is only passing mention (a little more than one small paragraph) of it there as well. I would support someone expanding the music coverage in Link's Awakening, perhaps even creating its own subsection. CThomas3 ( talk) 20:43, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 04:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 04:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete don't think she passes GNG or WP:MUSIC. There are few indepedent and reliable sources that would allow expansion for her article beyond what she has composed etc. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 08:46, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. On the custom WP:VG/RS search engine, Hamano is mentioned frequently, but just in passing, in relation to her work. There's no in-depth coverage on the person. The award for Link's Awakening was for its "graphics and sound", not for the music and it wasn't awarded to Hamano. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete She doesn't pass WP:Nmusic, not much has changed since the last AFD (which was a delete) and only passing mentions.Notabilityy isn't inherited and her working with other notable people or working on popular video games doesn't give her an automatic pass. JC7V -constructive zone 16:27, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
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