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The result was keep. The general consensus here is keep. In addition, the main concern by the nominator seems to be significant references, of which some were pointed out in addition to being added to the significantly improved article ( non-admin closure) Dusti *Let's talk!* 04:37, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
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No significant references. The CBC News story is NOT CBC News, but the local CBC News- Kitchener-Waterloo DGG ( talk ) 04:37, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
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- I freely admit that this needs further content and referencing expansion, but a dragon panelist on an edition of Dragons' Den would qualify for an article just on that basis alone, even if he weren't also a key investor in Research in Motion (now better known as BlackBerry Limited. Yes, that BlackBerry. Really.) And all of the sources — a feature profile in Canadian Business, and articles from both CityNews and the CBC — count as reliable ones. The fact that the CBC source is Kitchener-Waterloo is (a) irrelevant, because it's still the CBC (no division of the CBC ever fails the notability bar under any circumstances, ever), (b) exactly where you'd expect to find a source for the fact it's sourcing, because that's where BlackBerry is based. Expansion needed, yes; basic notability covered perfectly satisfactorily already, also yes. Keep. Bearcat ( talk) 08:22, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. Definitely meets WP:GNG. In addition to the references used I've found coverage in Toronto Life, Bloomberg, The Financial Post, Business News Network, Yahoo Finance, Canada.com... shall I go on? Literally, just Google his name. Tchaliburton ( talk) 08:40, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
- Weak Keep iff improved with sources or else Redirect, not because WP:INHERITED from Dragons' Den. Widefox; talk 23:49, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
- Nobody's claiming that he inherits notability from Dragons' Den — because of the national-media visibility of that role, he gets enough substantive coverage in reliable sources to have attained notability as an independent topic in his own right, which is not the same thing as an "inherited notability" claim. In actual fact, he already had enough substantive coverage in reliable sources to qualify for a Wikipedia article before he was named as one of the new Dragons — the guy's been an alpha dog in Canadian business since the 1990s. Even just among the sample sources that Tchaliburton provided above, two of them are dated before he was anointed as a Dragon, and even some of the ones that do postdate his dragonification are still covering him for other things independent of Dragons' Den. And for that matter, I just quintupled the sourcing volume of this article, with citations dating as far back as 1995/1996 — and even then, he was already prominent enough to have been getting coverage of the "named right in the headline" variety. Bearcat ( talk) 17:32, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Dragons' Den, little more than that exposure per WP:BLP1E. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 21:34, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- How does WP:BLP1E apply? What single event is he known for? Look at the coverage in the links above. Tchaliburton ( talk) 06:05, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- Snow keep per Bearcat. AfD is not the venue to force rewriting or expanding the article. OhanaUnited Talk page 04:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
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The result was keep. The general consensus here is keep. In addition, the main concern by the nominator seems to be significant references, of which some were pointed out in addition to being added to the significantly improved article ( non-admin closure) Dusti *Let's talk!* 04:37, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
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No significant references. The CBC News story is NOT CBC News, but the local CBC News- Kitchener-Waterloo DGG ( talk ) 04:37, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
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- I freely admit that this needs further content and referencing expansion, but a dragon panelist on an edition of Dragons' Den would qualify for an article just on that basis alone, even if he weren't also a key investor in Research in Motion (now better known as BlackBerry Limited. Yes, that BlackBerry. Really.) And all of the sources — a feature profile in Canadian Business, and articles from both CityNews and the CBC — count as reliable ones. The fact that the CBC source is Kitchener-Waterloo is (a) irrelevant, because it's still the CBC (no division of the CBC ever fails the notability bar under any circumstances, ever), (b) exactly where you'd expect to find a source for the fact it's sourcing, because that's where BlackBerry is based. Expansion needed, yes; basic notability covered perfectly satisfactorily already, also yes. Keep. Bearcat ( talk) 08:22, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. Definitely meets WP:GNG. In addition to the references used I've found coverage in Toronto Life, Bloomberg, The Financial Post, Business News Network, Yahoo Finance, Canada.com... shall I go on? Literally, just Google his name. Tchaliburton ( talk) 08:40, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
- Weak Keep iff improved with sources or else Redirect, not because WP:INHERITED from Dragons' Den. Widefox; talk 23:49, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
- Nobody's claiming that he inherits notability from Dragons' Den — because of the national-media visibility of that role, he gets enough substantive coverage in reliable sources to have attained notability as an independent topic in his own right, which is not the same thing as an "inherited notability" claim. In actual fact, he already had enough substantive coverage in reliable sources to qualify for a Wikipedia article before he was named as one of the new Dragons — the guy's been an alpha dog in Canadian business since the 1990s. Even just among the sample sources that Tchaliburton provided above, two of them are dated before he was anointed as a Dragon, and even some of the ones that do postdate his dragonification are still covering him for other things independent of Dragons' Den. And for that matter, I just quintupled the sourcing volume of this article, with citations dating as far back as 1995/1996 — and even then, he was already prominent enough to have been getting coverage of the "named right in the headline" variety. Bearcat ( talk) 17:32, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Dragons' Den, little more than that exposure per WP:BLP1E. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 21:34, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- How does WP:BLP1E apply? What single event is he known for? Look at the coverage in the links above. Tchaliburton ( talk) 06:05, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- Snow keep per Bearcat. AfD is not the venue to force rewriting or expanding the article. OhanaUnited Talk page 04:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
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