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The result was draftify. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 05:44, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Micah Simon
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Fails WP:NGRIDIRON, WP:GNG, WP:NCOLLATH. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - per nom. At the very least, it's TOOSOON ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 17:40, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Add - no prejudice against draft-i-fication as propsed by Sporting below. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 20:16, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep – Seems to me to meet GNG. His signing to the Panthers has received a separate article from NBC Sports, the Deseret News, USA Today Sports, KSL-TV, SB Nation, CBS Sports, and Sports Illustrated. Furthermore, his career outside of his signing has been the subject of a separate article in the Deseret News three other times, KSL-TV, USA Today Sports, and the Knoxville News Sentinel. If anything, it was WP:TOOSOON about a few hours ago. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 17:51, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- This is WP:ROUTINE coverage of a sports signing. Someone tweets out a signing, every sports website runs an article. Does not create notability, in my interpretation. If it does, WP:GRIDIRON would be swallowed, as any player who is drafted or signed would be 'notable' regardless of whether they ever play a snap. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 20:16, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- I disagree with the use of " WP:ROUTINE", as this is a guideline meant for assessing the notability of Wikipedia articles about events and does not pertain to how coverage contributes to the notability of BLP subjects. Furthermore, subject-specific guidelines such as WP:GRIDIRON neither override a subject meeting the WP:GNG, nor must they be considered in conjunction with the GNG. They're simply there for further consideration if a subject may warrant an article but doesn't necessarily pass GNG; in essence, they exist to make inclusion more broad, not to restrict it, and therefore using the GNG instead of GRIDIRON does not somehow obviate the existence of GRIDIRON. Draftifying wouldn't be the end of the world, but I don't seriously see any good reason to, as this athlete is the main subject of at least 12 articles from reliable, independent sources and obviously passes the GNG. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:31, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
This guideline is used to help evaluate whether or not a sports person or sports league/organization (amateur or professional) is likely to meet the general notability guideline, and thus merit an article in Wikipedia.
andIn addition, the subjects of standalone articles should meet the General Notability Guideline. The guideline on this page provides bright-line guidance to enable editors to determine quickly if a subject is likely to meet the General Notability Guideline.
Presumption of notability from NGRIDIRON is not sufficient in deletion discussions; the article still MUST meet GNG. JoelleJay ( talk) 23:04, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
- Draftify I'm still in the WP:TOOSOON camp. He wasn't really a notable college player, all of that coverage is local including the coverage of the Tennessee game - let's be honest, the only reason why the article was created is because he got signed after appearing in a viral video. If he plays or continues to receive coverage now he's on an NFL team, easily moved back into mainspace. SportingFlyer T· C 20:12, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Draftify All that I could find besides the 13+ articles about his signing and profiles were his commitment to BYU, his college stats, an article on how he and other players were affected by Covid, BYU article/profile, an article titled "Micah Simon Ready to Play WR at BYU, and an interview. Some may not be Reliable Sources though. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:19, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kieran207( talk- Contribs) 01:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kieran207( talk- Contribs) 01:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Draftify or delete. Per Sporting and Beanie's analysis of the lack of SIGCOV. JoelleJay ( talk) 04:38, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Draftify or delete I can't find enough SIGCOV-wise for an GNG pass. It's not even a given that Simon will make it to training camp (and possibly receive more coverage), let alone the 2021 opening roster of an NFL team, as it's not uncommon for players signed to futures contracts between the start of the NFL year and the Draft wind up getting cut to free up roster spots for undrafted free agents. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 17:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- Draftify until he plays an official game. KingSkyLord ( talk | contribs) 19:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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The result was draftify. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 05:44, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Micah Simon
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Fails WP:NGRIDIRON, WP:GNG, WP:NCOLLATH. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - per nom. At the very least, it's TOOSOON ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 17:40, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Add - no prejudice against draft-i-fication as propsed by Sporting below. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 20:16, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep – Seems to me to meet GNG. His signing to the Panthers has received a separate article from NBC Sports, the Deseret News, USA Today Sports, KSL-TV, SB Nation, CBS Sports, and Sports Illustrated. Furthermore, his career outside of his signing has been the subject of a separate article in the Deseret News three other times, KSL-TV, USA Today Sports, and the Knoxville News Sentinel. If anything, it was WP:TOOSOON about a few hours ago. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 17:51, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- This is WP:ROUTINE coverage of a sports signing. Someone tweets out a signing, every sports website runs an article. Does not create notability, in my interpretation. If it does, WP:GRIDIRON would be swallowed, as any player who is drafted or signed would be 'notable' regardless of whether they ever play a snap. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 20:16, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- I disagree with the use of " WP:ROUTINE", as this is a guideline meant for assessing the notability of Wikipedia articles about events and does not pertain to how coverage contributes to the notability of BLP subjects. Furthermore, subject-specific guidelines such as WP:GRIDIRON neither override a subject meeting the WP:GNG, nor must they be considered in conjunction with the GNG. They're simply there for further consideration if a subject may warrant an article but doesn't necessarily pass GNG; in essence, they exist to make inclusion more broad, not to restrict it, and therefore using the GNG instead of GRIDIRON does not somehow obviate the existence of GRIDIRON. Draftifying wouldn't be the end of the world, but I don't seriously see any good reason to, as this athlete is the main subject of at least 12 articles from reliable, independent sources and obviously passes the GNG. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:31, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
This guideline is used to help evaluate whether or not a sports person or sports league/organization (amateur or professional) is likely to meet the general notability guideline, and thus merit an article in Wikipedia.
andIn addition, the subjects of standalone articles should meet the General Notability Guideline. The guideline on this page provides bright-line guidance to enable editors to determine quickly if a subject is likely to meet the General Notability Guideline.
Presumption of notability from NGRIDIRON is not sufficient in deletion discussions; the article still MUST meet GNG. JoelleJay ( talk) 23:04, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
- Draftify I'm still in the WP:TOOSOON camp. He wasn't really a notable college player, all of that coverage is local including the coverage of the Tennessee game - let's be honest, the only reason why the article was created is because he got signed after appearing in a viral video. If he plays or continues to receive coverage now he's on an NFL team, easily moved back into mainspace. SportingFlyer T· C 20:12, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:17, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Draftify All that I could find besides the 13+ articles about his signing and profiles were his commitment to BYU, his college stats, an article on how he and other players were affected by Covid, BYU article/profile, an article titled "Micah Simon Ready to Play WR at BYU, and an interview. Some may not be Reliable Sources though. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:19, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kieran207( talk- Contribs) 01:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kieran207( talk- Contribs) 01:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Draftify or delete. Per Sporting and Beanie's analysis of the lack of SIGCOV. JoelleJay ( talk) 04:38, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Draftify or delete I can't find enough SIGCOV-wise for an GNG pass. It's not even a given that Simon will make it to training camp (and possibly receive more coverage), let alone the 2021 opening roster of an NFL team, as it's not uncommon for players signed to futures contracts between the start of the NFL year and the Draft wind up getting cut to free up roster spots for undrafted free agents. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 17:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- Draftify until he plays an official game. KingSkyLord ( talk | contribs) 19:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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