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The result was delete. – bradv 🍁 16:55, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
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I cannot find any sources to this article; it is not mentioned in localiban; http://www.localiban.org/jezzine-district, and the co-ord given points to the middle of nowhere on google-maps Huldra ( talk) 21:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete the map coordinates point to a place of a different name and even if this place exists somewhere, the name suggests it’s not actually a settled place. Mccapra ( talk) 22:12, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @ Huldra: there does seem to be a tomb of Safi nearby at 33°28'34.0"N 35°31'58.1"E, so the alt name An Nabi Safi could justify an article if we can find information about it. On the current name, Mazraat just means farm, but I cannot see anything similar to Btadiniye in the area (I think Chesdovi transliterated from Hebrew so it may have been mangled). Onceinawhile ( talk) 00:17, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Some (non-RS) sources for this: Nabatiyeh News from Dec 2019 saying that the Iqlim al-Tuffah villages have been reconstructing this maqam, with the hope that it will become a tourist destination. Here is a twitter photo from 2019 showing the construction, and here is a photo from a few weeks ago showing it built. Onceinawhile ( talk) 00:29, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Our Arabic Wikipedia article:
ar:جبل_صافي "Safi Mountain". Using google translate the article says Safi Mountain is one of the mountains of the West Lebanon mountain range. Its highest peaks are about 1300 m above sea level. Its name goes back to the Semitic root, which means "Mount Safon", the center of the god
Baal-zephon, who is the god of storms. It is likely that the mountain was named after its name due to the large number of storms and tornadoes that occur on it. It is said that a prophet with a shrine in a place that no one knows was buried on the mountain, which the people consider sacred.
Onceinawhile ( talk) 00:48, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah; User:Onceinawhile; I don't think that Chesdovi made this article up from nothing; my point is that this place isn't a village. For 13 years this article has been sitting here, without any sources, and with co-ords pointing to a clearly uninhabited area; an absurdity. Perhaps, as you state, there is material out there for an article about the shrine(?), (As for an article asking to be made; I looked into the nearby Nabi Sejoud; now there is (was?) an interesting site, see commons, and Oholiab) (note that the Nabi is located just NE of the village). Anyway, I am waiting for what Chesdovi has to say here, cheers, Huldra ( talk) 20:29, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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I also looked it up on this historical map – no sign of Btadiniye. Nabi Safi is clearly there though. I agree with Huldra there is no evidence this is a village. Onceinawhile ( talk) 08:15, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. – bradv 🍁 16:55, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
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I cannot find any sources to this article; it is not mentioned in localiban; http://www.localiban.org/jezzine-district, and the co-ord given points to the middle of nowhere on google-maps Huldra ( talk) 21:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lebanon-related deletion discussions. Huldra ( talk) 21:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete the map coordinates point to a place of a different name and even if this place exists somewhere, the name suggests it’s not actually a settled place. Mccapra ( talk) 22:12, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @ Huldra: there does seem to be a tomb of Safi nearby at 33°28'34.0"N 35°31'58.1"E, so the alt name An Nabi Safi could justify an article if we can find information about it. On the current name, Mazraat just means farm, but I cannot see anything similar to Btadiniye in the area (I think Chesdovi transliterated from Hebrew so it may have been mangled). Onceinawhile ( talk) 00:17, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Some (non-RS) sources for this: Nabatiyeh News from Dec 2019 saying that the Iqlim al-Tuffah villages have been reconstructing this maqam, with the hope that it will become a tourist destination. Here is a twitter photo from 2019 showing the construction, and here is a photo from a few weeks ago showing it built. Onceinawhile ( talk) 00:29, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Our Arabic Wikipedia article:
ar:جبل_صافي "Safi Mountain". Using google translate the article says Safi Mountain is one of the mountains of the West Lebanon mountain range. Its highest peaks are about 1300 m above sea level. Its name goes back to the Semitic root, which means "Mount Safon", the center of the god
Baal-zephon, who is the god of storms. It is likely that the mountain was named after its name due to the large number of storms and tornadoes that occur on it. It is said that a prophet with a shrine in a place that no one knows was buried on the mountain, which the people consider sacred.
Onceinawhile ( talk) 00:48, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah; User:Onceinawhile; I don't think that Chesdovi made this article up from nothing; my point is that this place isn't a village. For 13 years this article has been sitting here, without any sources, and with co-ords pointing to a clearly uninhabited area; an absurdity. Perhaps, as you state, there is material out there for an article about the shrine(?), (As for an article asking to be made; I looked into the nearby Nabi Sejoud; now there is (was?) an interesting site, see commons, and Oholiab) (note that the Nabi is located just NE of the village). Anyway, I am waiting for what Chesdovi has to say here, cheers, Huldra ( talk) 20:29, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
I also looked it up on this historical map – no sign of Btadiniye. Nabi Safi is clearly there though. I agree with Huldra there is no evidence this is a village. Onceinawhile ( talk) 08:15, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 07:43, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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