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The result was redirect to Samoa at the 2016 Summer Paralympics. !Votes claiming that all paralympics participants are notable per WP:NOLY are obviously incorrect, as the guideline explicitly says otherwise. Arguments that the athlete meets GNG have not been substantiated. Vanamonde ( talk) 11:37, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Maggie Aiono
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Fully covered at Samoa at the 2016 Summer Paralympics, unless she participates in another Paralympics, no additional news coverage is likely to be generated. Kees08 (Talk) 23:59, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh ( talk) 00:02, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep. Participating at the Paralympics is an automatic keep. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 00:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Please have a look at WP:NOLY where it states that only medal winners at the Paralympics are notable. Ifnord ( talk) 14:27, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Although Paralympic athletes only meet WP:NOLY if they win a medal, she still meets WP:GNG. Jmertel23 ( talk) 15:17, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 15:36, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Absolutely. scope_creep ( talk) 16:05, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Eastmain. Paralympics participation is an automatic keep. \\\Septrillion:- ~~~~ 10 Eleventeen 07:43, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disability-related deletion discussions. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 08:43, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete or Redirect. Only medal winners at Paralympics qualify under WP:NOLY, not all participants, so keep votes based on this error are invalid, the subject ended in 11th place. There is only one source that complies with WP:RS, WP:IS and WP:DEPTH, thus it fails WP:GNG too, and also per WP:BLP1E. -- Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 09:00, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: reopen and relist per request at my talk page
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphim System ( talk) 22:27, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Relisting comment: reopen and relist per request at my talk page
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphim System ( talk) 22:27, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- I have notified the participants at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alefosio Laki who have not already contributed to this discussion: Twinky995 ( talk · contribs), Ortizesp ( talk · contribs), Habst ( talk · contribs), Sandals1 ( talk · contribs), Ifnord ( talk · contribs), and 1l2l3k ( talk · contribs). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Papaursa ( talk • contribs)
- Redirect to Samoa at the 2016 Summer Paralympics Clearly does not meet WP:NSPORT and the coverage is insufficient to meet WP:GNG. It's a one line article with no information that is not already in the redirect target I gave. This article has fewer sources and less information than the article on fellow Samoan Paralympian Alefosio Laki, whose AfD was closed as a redirect to the same target I've proposed (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alefosio Laki). The keep voters that claim she's notable simply for competing at the Paralympics are wrong and should read WP:NOLY. WP:GNG is not met with the only source being local coverage of her going to the Paralympics, which is something every Paralympian would have. Papaursa ( talk) 00:06, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to Samoa at the 2016 Summer Paralympics per Papaursa. The notability at WP:NOLY is clear, and it's the guideline we have. If you wish to advocate for a change to it, by all means do so there. Ifnord ( talk) 00:17, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Delete or Redirect. Non-notable as per WP:NOLY-- Ortizesp ( talk) 00:53, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect Not sure if I need to vote again, but redirect per my reasons above. Kees08 (Talk) 01:20, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to Samoa at the 2016 Summer Paralympics as per WP:NOLY ...athletes from any sport are presumed notable if they... have won a medal at the Paralympic Games, and Maggie doesn't seem to have won a medal, so not notable. -- 1l2l3k ( talk) 13:35, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- I think everything after July 8th should all be in a new deletion discussion (and Keep) Hi, I remember this discussion being closed conclusively as keep about a month ago, and if you look at the top four replies they are all either Keep or Strong Keep. It looks like someone reverted that without any note or mention of it on the page. I understand it was a non-admin closure (I had nothing to do with that because I only saw this discussion after it was closed), but that non-admin closure was perfectly within Wikipedia policy, as it was very supported by the votes and was not contested at all at the time. I really don't think it is fair at all to reopen a closed discussion nearly a month later with an organized attempt to delete / redirect the article. I do not think this discussion can take place here without opening a new deletion discussion page.
- I also think the article should be kept per many of the reasons above, and I was actually planning on adding some prose to it some time this weekend. I'll flesh out a more complete keep argument later, but in the mean time I just wanted to say that I really don't think this is the proper way to do this, and I'm happy to respond to any concerns of course. -- Habst ( talk) 16:40, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Habst The close was reverted per the discussion at the closer's talk page, which I initated per the instructions at WP:DRV.
- Unfortunately the reversal of the close and relisting that had not been completed properly in terms of the neccessary notifications, and also the WP:CANVASSING that has subsequently occurred has muddied the waters too much, so I think that the best option now is a quick procedural close without prejudice against a new AFD. As I am WP:INVOLVED I am disqualified from using my admin mop here, someone else will have to do it. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 21:20, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that
WP:CANVASSING applies since it says canvassing "is notification done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way" and I notified everyone who had shown an interest in AfD discussions on Samoan paralympians--regardless of side. If I made a mistake, I apologize because my intention was to get as many participants as possible in a discussion that was suddenly reopened a month later without fanfare or notice. I had planned on taking the original closure to DRV and suddenly found it was active again.
Papaursa (
talk)
03:53, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Procedural close needed, which I believe resolves this matter. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 09:06, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep as competing at the Paralympics meets WP notability guidelines. MurielMary ( talk) 12:22, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- No, it does not. Please have a look at WP:NOLY where it states that only medal winners at the Paralympics are notable. Ifnord ( talk) 14:26, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- redirect None of the keep voters have proven there's a policy based reason for keeping this article. Seems more like WP:ILIKEIT than anything else. Anyway, the redirect target has more info than the current article. Just to be sure I did my own search and it didn't show me that the GNG is met. Sandals1 ( talk) 15:44, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Samoa at the 2016 Summer Paralympics. !Votes claiming that all paralympics participants are notable per WP:NOLY are obviously incorrect, as the guideline explicitly says otherwise. Arguments that the athlete meets GNG have not been substantiated. Vanamonde ( talk) 11:37, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Maggie Aiono
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Fully covered at Samoa at the 2016 Summer Paralympics, unless she participates in another Paralympics, no additional news coverage is likely to be generated. Kees08 (Talk) 23:59, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh ( talk) 00:02, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh ( talk) 00:02, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh ( talk) 00:02, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Participating at the Paralympics is an automatic keep. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 00:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Please have a look at WP:NOLY where it states that only medal winners at the Paralympics are notable. Ifnord ( talk) 14:27, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Although Paralympic athletes only meet WP:NOLY if they win a medal, she still meets WP:GNG. Jmertel23 ( talk) 15:17, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 15:36, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Absolutely. scope_creep ( talk) 16:05, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Eastmain. Paralympics participation is an automatic keep. \\\Septrillion:- ~~~~ 10 Eleventeen 07:43, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disability-related deletion discussions. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 08:43, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete or Redirect. Only medal winners at Paralympics qualify under WP:NOLY, not all participants, so keep votes based on this error are invalid, the subject ended in 11th place. There is only one source that complies with WP:RS, WP:IS and WP:DEPTH, thus it fails WP:GNG too, and also per WP:BLP1E. -- Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 09:00, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: reopen and relist per request at my talk page
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphim System ( talk) 22:27, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Relisting comment: reopen and relist per request at my talk page
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphim System ( talk) 22:27, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- I have notified the participants at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alefosio Laki who have not already contributed to this discussion: Twinky995 ( talk · contribs), Ortizesp ( talk · contribs), Habst ( talk · contribs), Sandals1 ( talk · contribs), Ifnord ( talk · contribs), and 1l2l3k ( talk · contribs). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Papaursa ( talk • contribs)
- Redirect to Samoa at the 2016 Summer Paralympics Clearly does not meet WP:NSPORT and the coverage is insufficient to meet WP:GNG. It's a one line article with no information that is not already in the redirect target I gave. This article has fewer sources and less information than the article on fellow Samoan Paralympian Alefosio Laki, whose AfD was closed as a redirect to the same target I've proposed (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alefosio Laki). The keep voters that claim she's notable simply for competing at the Paralympics are wrong and should read WP:NOLY. WP:GNG is not met with the only source being local coverage of her going to the Paralympics, which is something every Paralympian would have. Papaursa ( talk) 00:06, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to Samoa at the 2016 Summer Paralympics per Papaursa. The notability at WP:NOLY is clear, and it's the guideline we have. If you wish to advocate for a change to it, by all means do so there. Ifnord ( talk) 00:17, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Delete or Redirect. Non-notable as per WP:NOLY-- Ortizesp ( talk) 00:53, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect Not sure if I need to vote again, but redirect per my reasons above. Kees08 (Talk) 01:20, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to Samoa at the 2016 Summer Paralympics as per WP:NOLY ...athletes from any sport are presumed notable if they... have won a medal at the Paralympic Games, and Maggie doesn't seem to have won a medal, so not notable. -- 1l2l3k ( talk) 13:35, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- I think everything after July 8th should all be in a new deletion discussion (and Keep) Hi, I remember this discussion being closed conclusively as keep about a month ago, and if you look at the top four replies they are all either Keep or Strong Keep. It looks like someone reverted that without any note or mention of it on the page. I understand it was a non-admin closure (I had nothing to do with that because I only saw this discussion after it was closed), but that non-admin closure was perfectly within Wikipedia policy, as it was very supported by the votes and was not contested at all at the time. I really don't think it is fair at all to reopen a closed discussion nearly a month later with an organized attempt to delete / redirect the article. I do not think this discussion can take place here without opening a new deletion discussion page.
- I also think the article should be kept per many of the reasons above, and I was actually planning on adding some prose to it some time this weekend. I'll flesh out a more complete keep argument later, but in the mean time I just wanted to say that I really don't think this is the proper way to do this, and I'm happy to respond to any concerns of course. -- Habst ( talk) 16:40, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Habst The close was reverted per the discussion at the closer's talk page, which I initated per the instructions at WP:DRV.
- Unfortunately the reversal of the close and relisting that had not been completed properly in terms of the neccessary notifications, and also the WP:CANVASSING that has subsequently occurred has muddied the waters too much, so I think that the best option now is a quick procedural close without prejudice against a new AFD. As I am WP:INVOLVED I am disqualified from using my admin mop here, someone else will have to do it. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 21:20, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that
WP:CANVASSING applies since it says canvassing "is notification done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way" and I notified everyone who had shown an interest in AfD discussions on Samoan paralympians--regardless of side. If I made a mistake, I apologize because my intention was to get as many participants as possible in a discussion that was suddenly reopened a month later without fanfare or notice. I had planned on taking the original closure to DRV and suddenly found it was active again.
Papaursa (
talk)
03:53, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Procedural close needed, which I believe resolves this matter. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 09:06, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep as competing at the Paralympics meets WP notability guidelines. MurielMary ( talk) 12:22, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- No, it does not. Please have a look at WP:NOLY where it states that only medal winners at the Paralympics are notable. Ifnord ( talk) 14:26, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- redirect None of the keep voters have proven there's a policy based reason for keeping this article. Seems more like WP:ILIKEIT than anything else. Anyway, the redirect target has more info than the current article. Just to be sure I did my own search and it didn't show me that the GNG is met. Sandals1 ( talk) 15:44, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
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