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The result was delete. Vanamonde ( Talk) 22:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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Non notable musician, fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC - no chart placings or major signings Ceethekreator ( talk) 20:17, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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- I think, the number of releases on discogs' profile speaks for itself, the article should stay.-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 20:20, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
- — Note to closing admin:
༄U-ji (
talk •
contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this
AfD.
- We don't measure notability on Wikipedia by volume of releases, but by whether the subject has been discussed in-depth by reliable independent sources.
Richard3120 (
talk)
21:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
- I would say, a feature on Resident Advisor, collaboration with Sensational, and a double album on Sähkö Recordings plus the steady production for years are good enough.--
༄U-ji (
talk)
21:46, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
- Again, none of those things count for notability on Wikipedia unless they have been discussed by independent sources. The Resident Advisor profiles and biographies are uploaded by the artists themselves, anyone can make a page – some of my friends have RA profiles.
Richard3120 (
talk)
12:50, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- It's not the profile, I'm talking about, but the feature by RA editor Will Lynch.-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 13:38, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- Again, none of those things count for notability on Wikipedia unless they have been discussed by independent sources. The Resident Advisor profiles and biographies are uploaded by the artists themselves, anyone can make a page – some of my friends have RA profiles.
Richard3120 (
talk)
12:50, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- I would say, a feature on Resident Advisor, collaboration with Sensational, and a double album on Sähkö Recordings plus the steady production for years are good enough.--
༄U-ji (
talk)
21:46, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
- We don't measure notability on Wikipedia by volume of releases, but by whether the subject has been discussed in-depth by reliable independent sources.
Richard3120 (
talk)
21:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
- MADTEO is pretty well known in Germany, not only Berlin, where I come from and where he played several times in well known locations in the last years, including the Berghain. He toured in eastern Europe, too, and is without interruption active for more than twenty years!-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 14:05, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- There even is a Google info box applied for him. Don't say, everyone can have that – I haven't got one ...-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 15:01, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- The additional sources, I added inbetween, should be "in-depth discussions" by notable sites and writers. I could have added some more, but I didn't want to overload the weblinks section.-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 16:00, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- Sähkö Recordings was label of the month for Resident Advisor in june 2019.-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 10:03, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
- I'm going to add some text for the biography during the day. Madteo is also playing a number of dj- and livesets in Japan this year – invited by the trendy experimental rock band Kukangendai: [1], soto.kyoto.jp-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 05:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
- I just added a section biography, and set music as sub-section.-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 18:32, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - the sources provided do not show that MADTEO "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician" per WP:MUSICBIO - no charted records, awards or any other indications of notability as outlined in the guidelines - Epinoia ( talk) 20:56, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Keep(I am the author of the article) Some of the sources obviously show-up in-depth discussions of the music, and they are absolutely independent, even bluemarked, so: reliable. The article does meet more than just one criterium of WP:MUSICBIO. If you measure it following charts only, you could delete a bunch of articles, which are accessable. That is not asked.-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 22:04, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
- Striking off double !vote. - The Gnome ( talk) 06:51, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- Delete since subject fails WP:MUSICBIO. Wikipedia is not the place where one can find anyone and everyone in the music business. An editor asserts that subject is "notable in Germany," which simply asserts notability but makes no difference as to the English-language lack of source-supported notability. Let's graciously say WP:TOOSOON. - The Gnome ( talk) 06:51, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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WP:MUSICBIO: "1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." This already would be enough, and is given. Notability for me was a point, because I live there. Tours in Europe, USA, Australia, Japan ... what else do you want?--
༄U-ji (
talk)
07:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- Obscure publications, such as
fabriclondon,
deejay Germany, or
Mntothat, do not as
Wikirequired sources pass. Listings in list-everything directories such as
Discogs and sound recordings in upload, file-sharing websites such
SoundCloud do not either. This is simply not a notable musician per Wikipedia standards. -
The Gnome (
talk)
07:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- They aren't that obscure, I mean. And there are more, which you just do not mention.
WP:MUSICBIO says: "Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria." (emphasis by myself). There it is, so what? I have the feeling that you are over-interpreting the
WP:MUSICBIO rules.--
༄U-ji (
talk)
07:46, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- I disagree with your interpretation of WP:MUSICBIO but we've already presented our views and I think we should be leaving now and allow other editors to have their say. Take care. - The Gnome ( talk) 07:58, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- They aren't that obscure, I mean. And there are more, which you just do not mention.
WP:MUSICBIO says: "Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria." (emphasis by myself). There it is, so what? I have the feeling that you are over-interpreting the
WP:MUSICBIO rules.--
༄U-ji (
talk)
07:46, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- Obscure publications, such as
fabriclondon,
deejay Germany, or
Mntothat, do not as
Wikirequired sources pass. Listings in list-everything directories such as
Discogs and sound recordings in upload, file-sharing websites such
SoundCloud do not either. This is simply not a notable musician per Wikipedia standards. -
The Gnome (
talk)
07:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
-
WP:MUSICBIO: "1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." This already would be enough, and is given. Notability for me was a point, because I live there. Tours in Europe, USA, Australia, Japan ... what else do you want?--
༄U-ji (
talk)
07:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Vanamonde ( Talk) 22:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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Non notable musician, fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC - no chart placings or major signings Ceethekreator ( talk) 20:17, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator ( talk) 20:17, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator ( talk) 20:17, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
- I think, the number of releases on discogs' profile speaks for itself, the article should stay.-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 20:20, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
- — Note to closing admin:
༄U-ji (
talk •
contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this
AfD.
- We don't measure notability on Wikipedia by volume of releases, but by whether the subject has been discussed in-depth by reliable independent sources.
Richard3120 (
talk)
21:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
- I would say, a feature on Resident Advisor, collaboration with Sensational, and a double album on Sähkö Recordings plus the steady production for years are good enough.--
༄U-ji (
talk)
21:46, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
- Again, none of those things count for notability on Wikipedia unless they have been discussed by independent sources. The Resident Advisor profiles and biographies are uploaded by the artists themselves, anyone can make a page – some of my friends have RA profiles.
Richard3120 (
talk)
12:50, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- It's not the profile, I'm talking about, but the feature by RA editor Will Lynch.-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 13:38, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- Again, none of those things count for notability on Wikipedia unless they have been discussed by independent sources. The Resident Advisor profiles and biographies are uploaded by the artists themselves, anyone can make a page – some of my friends have RA profiles.
Richard3120 (
talk)
12:50, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- I would say, a feature on Resident Advisor, collaboration with Sensational, and a double album on Sähkö Recordings plus the steady production for years are good enough.--
༄U-ji (
talk)
21:46, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
- We don't measure notability on Wikipedia by volume of releases, but by whether the subject has been discussed in-depth by reliable independent sources.
Richard3120 (
talk)
21:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
- MADTEO is pretty well known in Germany, not only Berlin, where I come from and where he played several times in well known locations in the last years, including the Berghain. He toured in eastern Europe, too, and is without interruption active for more than twenty years!-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 14:05, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- There even is a Google info box applied for him. Don't say, everyone can have that – I haven't got one ...-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 15:01, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- The additional sources, I added inbetween, should be "in-depth discussions" by notable sites and writers. I could have added some more, but I didn't want to overload the weblinks section.-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 16:00, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- Sähkö Recordings was label of the month for Resident Advisor in june 2019.-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 10:03, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
- I'm going to add some text for the biography during the day. Madteo is also playing a number of dj- and livesets in Japan this year – invited by the trendy experimental rock band Kukangendai: [1], soto.kyoto.jp-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 05:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
- I just added a section biography, and set music as sub-section.-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 18:32, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - the sources provided do not show that MADTEO "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician" per WP:MUSICBIO - no charted records, awards or any other indications of notability as outlined in the guidelines - Epinoia ( talk) 20:56, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Keep(I am the author of the article) Some of the sources obviously show-up in-depth discussions of the music, and they are absolutely independent, even bluemarked, so: reliable. The article does meet more than just one criterium of WP:MUSICBIO. If you measure it following charts only, you could delete a bunch of articles, which are accessable. That is not asked.-- ༄U-ji ( talk) 22:04, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
- Striking off double !vote. - The Gnome ( talk) 06:51, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- Delete since subject fails WP:MUSICBIO. Wikipedia is not the place where one can find anyone and everyone in the music business. An editor asserts that subject is "notable in Germany," which simply asserts notability but makes no difference as to the English-language lack of source-supported notability. Let's graciously say WP:TOOSOON. - The Gnome ( talk) 06:51, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
-
WP:MUSICBIO: "1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." This already would be enough, and is given. Notability for me was a point, because I live there. Tours in Europe, USA, Australia, Japan ... what else do you want?--
༄U-ji (
talk)
07:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- Obscure publications, such as
fabriclondon,
deejay Germany, or
Mntothat, do not as
Wikirequired sources pass. Listings in list-everything directories such as
Discogs and sound recordings in upload, file-sharing websites such
SoundCloud do not either. This is simply not a notable musician per Wikipedia standards. -
The Gnome (
talk)
07:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- They aren't that obscure, I mean. And there are more, which you just do not mention.
WP:MUSICBIO says: "Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria." (emphasis by myself). There it is, so what? I have the feeling that you are over-interpreting the
WP:MUSICBIO rules.--
༄U-ji (
talk)
07:46, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- I disagree with your interpretation of WP:MUSICBIO but we've already presented our views and I think we should be leaving now and allow other editors to have their say. Take care. - The Gnome ( talk) 07:58, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- They aren't that obscure, I mean. And there are more, which you just do not mention.
WP:MUSICBIO says: "Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria." (emphasis by myself). There it is, so what? I have the feeling that you are over-interpreting the
WP:MUSICBIO rules.--
༄U-ji (
talk)
07:46, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- Obscure publications, such as
fabriclondon,
deejay Germany, or
Mntothat, do not as
Wikirequired sources pass. Listings in list-everything directories such as
Discogs and sound recordings in upload, file-sharing websites such
SoundCloud do not either. This is simply not a notable musician per Wikipedia standards. -
The Gnome (
talk)
07:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
-
WP:MUSICBIO: "1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." This already would be enough, and is given. Notability for me was a point, because I live there. Tours in Europe, USA, Australia, Japan ... what else do you want?--
༄U-ji (
talk)
07:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.