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The result was 'Trainwreck' which turns into a no-consensus article retention. While some of the keep !votes are not policy based, a sock nomination should probably have been thrown out sooner. This can be revisited if an established editor finds merit, and I'd suggest seming an AfD from the very beginning. StarMississippi01:37, 20 October 2022 (UTC)reply
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Keep: Lucky Bisht is a notable Indian personality and a book is being written on his life story by renowned crime writer,
Hussain Zaidi. Eventually, the book will be made into a Bollywood movie. All articles has enough references which are independent and reliableIt has enough citations on trusted reliable, independent resources such as:
But you didn't link to any of the articles you claim he's mentioned in, so these are not useful. You've only given a list of newspaper names. If you can show the actual articles, it would help.
Oaktree b (
talk)
01:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment Lucky Bisht has many socks it appears. Can we at least not copy the same comment from one to the next? Might be notable, I can't judge most of the sources as they are in a local language and the quality of them, I can't assess.
Oaktree b (
talk)
19:27, 27 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete Now that we've pulled the socks, I'm not seeing much that warrants keeping the article, interesting gentlemen for sure, non-notable for wiki however. Trivial mentions or non-RS.
Oaktree b (
talk)
01:03, 29 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep: Lucky Bisht is not an actor; he was a former Indian spy and NSG commando. These unbiased, trustworthy sources are included below as proof that he has served his country very well.
Soft Keep- This discussion seems a bit messed up as there seems to be SPA activities happening over here. Due to SPA's I was tempted to vote a delete, but as I did a bit of digging and per sources his name is associated with
Narendra Modi and he is among top global leaders so I did found Reliable Independent Indepth sources in English and Mostly in
Hindi too that not only has authors but were written from NPOV. The fact that he has been part of
NSG and has served Narendra Modi and later he gained significant media attention (per
WP:SIGCOV) there are sources like
[18] this,
[19] this Pioneer Group piece
[20] this
NDTV article,
[21] this, and
[22] this, also found this
[23] piece where it reads
Hussain Zaidi is writing his bio pic.
Apart from that I also found
[24] this piece of article that does mention him as a commando, Socks might be the reason if this page gets deleted but the fact about his notability for being NSG commando and being associated with
Narendra Modi and later getting into entertainment Industry can't be denied so its a Soft Keep for me.
Being associated with someone famous doesn't make a person notable. Otherwise, we'd have an article on every celebrity's bodyguard, dogwalker and dry cleaner. LizRead!Talk!07:55, 4 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Well That does makes sense, But I don't think all the bodyguards, dogwalkers and dry cleaners tend to get a Book Written on em alongside the
Biopic being announced by a Notable Author like
Hussain Zaidi, as these sources reflects. see
[25] this &
[26] this.
Suryabeej⋠talk⋡09:22, 4 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I think some might criticize this relisting but right now, I'm seeing "No consensus" and I think an extra week might result in a more conclusive closure. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!01:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete Generally commandos in secret units don't blare their accomplishments out and try to cash in Clancy-style because the point is to remain secret.
WP:RESUME if there ever was a perfect example of the worst type of this article. Nate•(
chatter)01:52, 12 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment- Commando units are not secret, they are a part of the military of any country, where those people are selected, live physical and mental power is good, for example this is a commando unit
National Security Guard,
Para (Special Forces),
Commando Battalion for Resolute Action,
MARCOS, it is not a secret, secret units are available in any The country has intelligent wings, for example it is
Intelligence Bureau (India). I think keep for me there are available reliable Sourcess that satisfies
wp:basic and
wp:sigcov 02:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)~
Comment- An article is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone. when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.
WP:SIGCOV. There are available existing sources that proves he qualifies. It a keep for me. I have done some copyediting on the article and removed PR or advertising contents and also removed some sources that are irrelevants aswell.
Bernice2019 (
talk)
21:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep- This is one of the controversial AFD discussions I’ve ever encountered, from my experience in AFD I think this article is worth encyclopedic not because of the present of the references provided, but seemingly it passes
WP:NEXIST, I always use to support this kind of articles, I always suggest that this kind of article shouldn’t be left deleted because one way or the other it will be created in the near future, moreover, we have to consider the large number of references used in the article to support every single information provided, though someone said it is a pass mentioning, but as I see that the person is a public figure in India.
An@ss_koko(speak up)08:11, 19 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep Bisht passes the
WP:GNG as he received the award and he has significant coverage in media. Sources cited belong to NDTV India, Outlook, New Indian Express, Free Press Journal which are reliable, secondary and independent, fulfilling the
WP:RS criteria.—
Sankoswal (
talk)
11:39, 19 October 2022 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was 'Trainwreck' which turns into a no-consensus article retention. While some of the keep !votes are not policy based, a sock nomination should probably have been thrown out sooner. This can be revisited if an established editor finds merit, and I'd suggest seming an AfD from the very beginning. StarMississippi01:37, 20 October 2022 (UTC)reply
If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that this is not a majority vote, but instead a discussion among Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia has
policies and guidelines regarding the encyclopedia's content, and consensus (agreement) is gauged based on the merits of the arguments, not by counting votes.
However, you are invited to participate and your opinion is welcome. Remember to
assume good faith on the part of others and to
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Keep: Lucky Bisht is a notable Indian personality and a book is being written on his life story by renowned crime writer,
Hussain Zaidi. Eventually, the book will be made into a Bollywood movie. All articles has enough references which are independent and reliableIt has enough citations on trusted reliable, independent resources such as:
But you didn't link to any of the articles you claim he's mentioned in, so these are not useful. You've only given a list of newspaper names. If you can show the actual articles, it would help.
Oaktree b (
talk)
01:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment Lucky Bisht has many socks it appears. Can we at least not copy the same comment from one to the next? Might be notable, I can't judge most of the sources as they are in a local language and the quality of them, I can't assess.
Oaktree b (
talk)
19:27, 27 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete Now that we've pulled the socks, I'm not seeing much that warrants keeping the article, interesting gentlemen for sure, non-notable for wiki however. Trivial mentions or non-RS.
Oaktree b (
talk)
01:03, 29 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep: Lucky Bisht is not an actor; he was a former Indian spy and NSG commando. These unbiased, trustworthy sources are included below as proof that he has served his country very well.
Soft Keep- This discussion seems a bit messed up as there seems to be SPA activities happening over here. Due to SPA's I was tempted to vote a delete, but as I did a bit of digging and per sources his name is associated with
Narendra Modi and he is among top global leaders so I did found Reliable Independent Indepth sources in English and Mostly in
Hindi too that not only has authors but were written from NPOV. The fact that he has been part of
NSG and has served Narendra Modi and later he gained significant media attention (per
WP:SIGCOV) there are sources like
[18] this,
[19] this Pioneer Group piece
[20] this
NDTV article,
[21] this, and
[22] this, also found this
[23] piece where it reads
Hussain Zaidi is writing his bio pic.
Apart from that I also found
[24] this piece of article that does mention him as a commando, Socks might be the reason if this page gets deleted but the fact about his notability for being NSG commando and being associated with
Narendra Modi and later getting into entertainment Industry can't be denied so its a Soft Keep for me.
Being associated with someone famous doesn't make a person notable. Otherwise, we'd have an article on every celebrity's bodyguard, dogwalker and dry cleaner. LizRead!Talk!07:55, 4 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Well That does makes sense, But I don't think all the bodyguards, dogwalkers and dry cleaners tend to get a Book Written on em alongside the
Biopic being announced by a Notable Author like
Hussain Zaidi, as these sources reflects. see
[25] this &
[26] this.
Suryabeej⋠talk⋡09:22, 4 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I think some might criticize this relisting but right now, I'm seeing "No consensus" and I think an extra week might result in a more conclusive closure. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!01:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete Generally commandos in secret units don't blare their accomplishments out and try to cash in Clancy-style because the point is to remain secret.
WP:RESUME if there ever was a perfect example of the worst type of this article. Nate•(
chatter)01:52, 12 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment- Commando units are not secret, they are a part of the military of any country, where those people are selected, live physical and mental power is good, for example this is a commando unit
National Security Guard,
Para (Special Forces),
Commando Battalion for Resolute Action,
MARCOS, it is not a secret, secret units are available in any The country has intelligent wings, for example it is
Intelligence Bureau (India). I think keep for me there are available reliable Sourcess that satisfies
wp:basic and
wp:sigcov 02:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)~
Comment- An article is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone. when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.
WP:SIGCOV. There are available existing sources that proves he qualifies. It a keep for me. I have done some copyediting on the article and removed PR or advertising contents and also removed some sources that are irrelevants aswell.
Bernice2019 (
talk)
21:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep- This is one of the controversial AFD discussions I’ve ever encountered, from my experience in AFD I think this article is worth encyclopedic not because of the present of the references provided, but seemingly it passes
WP:NEXIST, I always use to support this kind of articles, I always suggest that this kind of article shouldn’t be left deleted because one way or the other it will be created in the near future, moreover, we have to consider the large number of references used in the article to support every single information provided, though someone said it is a pass mentioning, but as I see that the person is a public figure in India.
An@ss_koko(speak up)08:11, 19 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep Bisht passes the
WP:GNG as he received the award and he has significant coverage in media. Sources cited belong to NDTV India, Outlook, New Indian Express, Free Press Journal which are reliable, secondary and independent, fulfilling the
WP:RS criteria.—
Sankoswal (
talk)
11:39, 19 October 2022 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.