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The result was redirect to Hanshin Tigers. Tone 21:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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Seems to fail GNG. Disputed prod, disputed WP:SOFTDELETE redirect (to To Lucky, which was reverted). The editor who disputed both did add a merge proposal, but it is incomplete (no rationale) and there is no referenced content to merge anyway. No ja interwiki for this mascot (Lucky), a mention in To Lucky is enough. Given the lengthy ja wiki article about To Lucky, I am not convinced that one needs to be merged to Hanshin Tigers, it seems like it just needs to be expanded, but what I am pretty certain is that there is no need to split a mascot pair into two articles, and that this one (Lucky) is not even in need of SOFTDELETE, given lack of useful content, and the fact that SOFTDELETE was disputed anyway. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:00, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:00, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
- Merge both to Hanshin Tigers. Interestingly, the third character who is supposed to be her little brother does have a page on the Japanese Wikipedia ( ja:キー太). Here, I am not sure that merging the female character to the male character is a very progressive approach. Although you didn't like the idea, I think merging both to Hanshin Tigers is probably in order. There is not too much prose there, and both mascots have no notability independent of the club. It was mentioned that the Japanese Wikipedia article for To Lucky is fairly long, but it's not got a lot of real content. It's things like "To Lucky can take off his hat and wave it to the crowd or have it fall off when doing backflips, Lucky barely ever takes off her hat in front of people. However, pictures exist in which her hat is coming off.... Rarely, To Lucky takes off his uniform and does an impression of Antonio Inoki in wrestling tights.... To Lucky and Lucky used to have spikes on with Asics patterns, but this was changed to the sponsor Mizuno when the uniforms changed in 2012." All uncited, not the kind of stuff to base an article on here. Dekimasu よ! 12:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
- Merge to Hanshin Tigers. This is a clear WP:POINT-nomination of an editor who does not accept alternatives for deletion. This is another case of a PROD that was turned down followed up by an AfD. The Banner talk 10:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. But there is zero referenced content to merge... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:49, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
- Merge per all above. This could have just been done rather than wasting our time here. Smartyllama ( talk) 14:03, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
- Merge into
Hanshin Tigers for lack of sufficient content. This article should not have been AfDd and definately should not have been prodded!
gidonb (
talk)
00:48, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
- @ Gidonb: You do realize it was redirected, and the redirect was challenged? And there is nothing to merge, the target article (To Lucky) contains all relevant info. What (referenced) content present here not present in the target article do you want to merge? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:05, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- It's much like being arrested for burglary and telling the police: "do you realize I was pushed out of the house by the owner?" You prodded this as part of your mass prods. Three days later this was undone. Immediately you put on a notability template, then redirected the entire article without a proper discussion. Who put you in charge? Next, you AfD it and bludgeon people who are not happy with these actions around Wikipedia. People here are kept very busy with this daily destruction. If you must merge something use merge to and only merge to. gidonb ( talk) 02:52, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Hanshin Tigers. There's no sourced content, so there is actually nothing to merge. Reyk YO! 05:44, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect Both to Hanshin Tigers. As mentioned, there is no sourced content in either article to merge. Rorshacma ( talk) 01:45, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was redirect to Hanshin Tigers. Tone 21:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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- Lucky (mascot) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Seems to fail GNG. Disputed prod, disputed WP:SOFTDELETE redirect (to To Lucky, which was reverted). The editor who disputed both did add a merge proposal, but it is incomplete (no rationale) and there is no referenced content to merge anyway. No ja interwiki for this mascot (Lucky), a mention in To Lucky is enough. Given the lengthy ja wiki article about To Lucky, I am not convinced that one needs to be merged to Hanshin Tigers, it seems like it just needs to be expanded, but what I am pretty certain is that there is no need to split a mascot pair into two articles, and that this one (Lucky) is not even in need of SOFTDELETE, given lack of useful content, and the fact that SOFTDELETE was disputed anyway. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:00, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:00, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
- Merge both to Hanshin Tigers. Interestingly, the third character who is supposed to be her little brother does have a page on the Japanese Wikipedia ( ja:キー太). Here, I am not sure that merging the female character to the male character is a very progressive approach. Although you didn't like the idea, I think merging both to Hanshin Tigers is probably in order. There is not too much prose there, and both mascots have no notability independent of the club. It was mentioned that the Japanese Wikipedia article for To Lucky is fairly long, but it's not got a lot of real content. It's things like "To Lucky can take off his hat and wave it to the crowd or have it fall off when doing backflips, Lucky barely ever takes off her hat in front of people. However, pictures exist in which her hat is coming off.... Rarely, To Lucky takes off his uniform and does an impression of Antonio Inoki in wrestling tights.... To Lucky and Lucky used to have spikes on with Asics patterns, but this was changed to the sponsor Mizuno when the uniforms changed in 2012." All uncited, not the kind of stuff to base an article on here. Dekimasu よ! 12:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
- Merge to Hanshin Tigers. This is a clear WP:POINT-nomination of an editor who does not accept alternatives for deletion. This is another case of a PROD that was turned down followed up by an AfD. The Banner talk 10:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. But there is zero referenced content to merge... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:49, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
- Merge per all above. This could have just been done rather than wasting our time here. Smartyllama ( talk) 14:03, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
- Merge into
Hanshin Tigers for lack of sufficient content. This article should not have been AfDd and definately should not have been prodded!
gidonb (
talk)
00:48, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
- @ Gidonb: You do realize it was redirected, and the redirect was challenged? And there is nothing to merge, the target article (To Lucky) contains all relevant info. What (referenced) content present here not present in the target article do you want to merge? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:05, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- It's much like being arrested for burglary and telling the police: "do you realize I was pushed out of the house by the owner?" You prodded this as part of your mass prods. Three days later this was undone. Immediately you put on a notability template, then redirected the entire article without a proper discussion. Who put you in charge? Next, you AfD it and bludgeon people who are not happy with these actions around Wikipedia. People here are kept very busy with this daily destruction. If you must merge something use merge to and only merge to. gidonb ( talk) 02:52, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Hanshin Tigers. There's no sourced content, so there is actually nothing to merge. Reyk YO! 05:44, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect Both to Hanshin Tigers. As mentioned, there is no sourced content in either article to merge. Rorshacma ( talk) 01:45, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.