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The result was delete. Randykitty ( talk) 12:22, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
List of heirs to the Monegasque throne
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The article contains error and invention from start to finish and all the citable material is already at Monaco succession crisis of 1918 and Succession to the Monegasque throne. DrKay ( talk) 11:36, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
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- Delete - I never seen the use for such lists, let alone the fact that "heir" is the wrong terminology in those page titles. The correct terminology is "heir-apparent" or "heir-presumptive". Anyways, best we limit royal lists to monarchs & consorts. GoodDay ( talk) 21:53, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep (possibly renamed) The article is in fact a list of heirs apparent or presumptive to the throne. It is as legitimate as a
List of Princes of Wales for the English/British throne or
List of Dauphins for the kings of France. On the whole I would keep the name, leaving the issue that they are apparent or presumptive to be dealt with in the lede.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 23:21, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep I agree with this statement. The article needs some work and cleaing up, especially visually, but it is useful. EmilySarah99 ( talk) 01:53, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete as superfluous. We already have Succession to the Monegasque throne for the heirs, List of rulers of Monaco for the heirs who ascended to the throne, and those who didn't make the cut don't merit notice. Monaco is not a big/important enough state as to draw comparisons to the Prince of Wales or Dauphin. Clarityfiend ( talk) 21:22, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Poorly sourced (unsourced in fact). We usually have lists on rulers and monarchs, the majority of whom were heirs before ascending to the throne, so there is a lot of overlap right there with List of rulers of Monaco. And this cannot be compared to Prince of Wales, Prince of Asturias, Dauphin of France, or Duke of Brabant. Those are 'specific titles' bestowed upon heirs to the throne. As far as I know, no such titles exit for the Monegasque heirs. And, in the absence of any sources it is hard to determine whether the people listed were actually named heirs or is it just the author's assumption that they held the position. Not to mention the other WP:OR issues raised by the nominator. Keivan.f Talk 22:04, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - essentially this is a WP:FORK of existing articles, and unsourced at that. Bearian ( talk) 15:22, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Randykitty ( talk) 12:22, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
List of heirs to the Monegasque throne
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The article contains error and invention from start to finish and all the citable material is already at Monaco succession crisis of 1918 and Succession to the Monegasque throne. DrKay ( talk) 11:36, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History and Royalty and nobility. DrKay ( talk) 11:36, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people and Europe. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:57, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I never seen the use for such lists, let alone the fact that "heir" is the wrong terminology in those page titles. The correct terminology is "heir-apparent" or "heir-presumptive". Anyways, best we limit royal lists to monarchs & consorts. GoodDay ( talk) 21:53, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep (possibly renamed) The article is in fact a list of heirs apparent or presumptive to the throne. It is as legitimate as a
List of Princes of Wales for the English/British throne or
List of Dauphins for the kings of France. On the whole I would keep the name, leaving the issue that they are apparent or presumptive to be dealt with in the lede.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 23:21, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep I agree with this statement. The article needs some work and cleaing up, especially visually, but it is useful. EmilySarah99 ( talk) 01:53, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete as superfluous. We already have Succession to the Monegasque throne for the heirs, List of rulers of Monaco for the heirs who ascended to the throne, and those who didn't make the cut don't merit notice. Monaco is not a big/important enough state as to draw comparisons to the Prince of Wales or Dauphin. Clarityfiend ( talk) 21:22, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Poorly sourced (unsourced in fact). We usually have lists on rulers and monarchs, the majority of whom were heirs before ascending to the throne, so there is a lot of overlap right there with List of rulers of Monaco. And this cannot be compared to Prince of Wales, Prince of Asturias, Dauphin of France, or Duke of Brabant. Those are 'specific titles' bestowed upon heirs to the throne. As far as I know, no such titles exit for the Monegasque heirs. And, in the absence of any sources it is hard to determine whether the people listed were actually named heirs or is it just the author's assumption that they held the position. Not to mention the other WP:OR issues raised by the nominator. Keivan.f Talk 22:04, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - essentially this is a WP:FORK of existing articles, and unsourced at that. Bearian ( talk) 15:22, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.