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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:09, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
List of guest stars on Murdoch Mysteries
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Delete. Unsourced (except for one listed person's own self-published tweet) list of every person who ever made a one-off guest appearance in a drama series. This is not, in and of itself, a notable basis for a standalone article -- every scripted series that has ever existed at all has had guest actors come in to play one-off or two-off characters, and Murdoch Mysteries is not unique. This was originally created at the title Guest stars on Murdoch Mysteries in 2011, then redirected to the main show's article as an unwarranted content fork, then recreated a month later at the new title Guest stars of Murdoch Mysteries and deleted at AFD -- but then when more recent consensus on the talk page agreed that the list in the main article was getting crufty and needed to be trimmed back down to only the few appearances notable enough to generate media coverage about the appearances, all of a sudden one editor is now determined to recreate a standalone list of everybody who ever made any guest appearance at all, regardless of whether their appearance is sourceable as noteworthy or not. (This same user, for the record, has also frequently stripped referencing from the show's main article on the grounds that only future events need references to support them, while anything that has already happened and receded into the past is now metaverified by its own occurrence and thus no longer needs to actually be referenced at all. Needless to say, that ain't how this works.)
But regardless of whether it's in the main article or spun off into a standalone list it's still unwarranted WP:TRIVIA either way, because making a guest appearance on Murdoch Mysteries still doesn't occupy some special sphere of notability any different from making a guest appearance on How to Get Away with Murder or Coronation Street or Rookie Blue or any of the thousands of other television series in history for which a similar list could be, but hasn't been, compiled. This is not something that all or even most television shows get to have — it's occasionally warranted for shows where guest appearances are virtually always notable in and of themselves, such as Saturday Night Live guest hosts, but most television shows which simply have working actors come on for one episode as the crime victim of the week don't warrant this kind of treatment. Bearcat ( talk) 22:02, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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- Merge and trim appropriately any of these which have RS coverage to the main article, which right now has a decent section on notable guest stars. I don't think completion is necessary of desirable. Jclemens ( talk) 23:27, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete What's to merge? list of Murdoch Mysteries characters and list of Murdoch Mysteries episodes contains all the appropriate information and in the correct context. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 05:33, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:09, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
List of guest stars on Murdoch Mysteries
- List of guest stars on Murdoch Mysteries ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Delete. Unsourced (except for one listed person's own self-published tweet) list of every person who ever made a one-off guest appearance in a drama series. This is not, in and of itself, a notable basis for a standalone article -- every scripted series that has ever existed at all has had guest actors come in to play one-off or two-off characters, and Murdoch Mysteries is not unique. This was originally created at the title Guest stars on Murdoch Mysteries in 2011, then redirected to the main show's article as an unwarranted content fork, then recreated a month later at the new title Guest stars of Murdoch Mysteries and deleted at AFD -- but then when more recent consensus on the talk page agreed that the list in the main article was getting crufty and needed to be trimmed back down to only the few appearances notable enough to generate media coverage about the appearances, all of a sudden one editor is now determined to recreate a standalone list of everybody who ever made any guest appearance at all, regardless of whether their appearance is sourceable as noteworthy or not. (This same user, for the record, has also frequently stripped referencing from the show's main article on the grounds that only future events need references to support them, while anything that has already happened and receded into the past is now metaverified by its own occurrence and thus no longer needs to actually be referenced at all. Needless to say, that ain't how this works.)
But regardless of whether it's in the main article or spun off into a standalone list it's still unwarranted WP:TRIVIA either way, because making a guest appearance on Murdoch Mysteries still doesn't occupy some special sphere of notability any different from making a guest appearance on How to Get Away with Murder or Coronation Street or Rookie Blue or any of the thousands of other television series in history for which a similar list could be, but hasn't been, compiled. This is not something that all or even most television shows get to have — it's occasionally warranted for shows where guest appearances are virtually always notable in and of themselves, such as Saturday Night Live guest hosts, but most television shows which simply have working actors come on for one episode as the crime victim of the week don't warrant this kind of treatment. Bearcat ( talk) 22:02, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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- Merge and trim appropriately any of these which have RS coverage to the main article, which right now has a decent section on notable guest stars. I don't think completion is necessary of desirable. Jclemens ( talk) 23:27, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete What's to merge? list of Murdoch Mysteries characters and list of Murdoch Mysteries episodes contains all the appropriate information and in the correct context. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 05:33, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
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