- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. There is a clear consensus against deletion but mixed views on what should happen instead; keep and rewrite, merge into List of dystopian literature, or redirect to a yet-to-be-written dystopian comics prose article. Either way there's enough here to know we're not deleting the article and the rest can be thrashed out on the talk page. Waggers TALK 12:38, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
List of dystopian comics
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This lists is almost entirely unreferenced and seems to fail WP:LISTN. I suggest copying (merging) the only referenced entry to List of dystopian literature, where there can be a subsection on comics (comics are part of literature after all) and redirecting this unreferenced list there. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
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Literature,
Comics and animation, and
Lists.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
02:51, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Seems like a notable topic for a list
- https://www.cbr.com/doomsday-clock-the-15-scariest-dystopian-futures-in-comics/
- https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/jul/20/ganzeers-graphic-novel-future-dystopia-recent-history-egypt-the-solar-girl
- https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781003158295-8/dystopian-comics-cautionary-tales-future-arctic-leena-romu
- The above links indicate that dystopian comics have been discussed as a group in reliable sources, which is justification to keep WP:LISTN CT55555( talk) 03:47, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Seems like a notable topic for a list
- Keep Per CT55555. Jclemens ( talk) 04:39, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment the future is almost always portrayed as dystopian; unless it is The Jetsons. I will have to give this one some thought. Lightburst ( talk) 17:40, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
KeepI think CT55555 showed that other publications have shown the notability of dystopian comics lists. Lightburst ( talk) 02:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)- @ Lightburst At minimum, we need a major cleanup here (removal of all unreferenced parts, per V and OR). At which point, really, why not merge what remains to the literature list? If the comic section(s) there grow to the point of being lenghty, this can be recreated, with refs. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:01, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- I will yield to your opinion on the matter. Lightburst ( talk) 12:51, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment This is a TV Tropes list, and there has been no attempt to hide that. At minimum, the descriptions need to go and sources need to be added. The ideal solution would be to find sources on the topic of dystopian comics and write a proper prose article instead, but that would probably take quite a bit of time and effort. For now, the above suggestion to merge any sourced entries to List of dystopian literature seems an acceptable compromise. TompaDompa ( talk) 09:38, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Rewrite: I am sympathetic to keeping this article but there is also very little to keep. The current article does not reflect the reporting from reliable sources and I think both the article's supporters and critics need to work together to address that. We should start with the sources identified by CT55555. Archrogue ( talk) 18:38, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. There is a clear consensus against deletion but mixed views on what should happen instead; keep and rewrite, merge into List of dystopian literature, or redirect to a yet-to-be-written dystopian comics prose article. Either way there's enough here to know we're not deleting the article and the rest can be thrashed out on the talk page. Waggers TALK 12:38, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
List of dystopian comics
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- List of dystopian comics ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This lists is almost entirely unreferenced and seems to fail WP:LISTN. I suggest copying (merging) the only referenced entry to List of dystopian literature, where there can be a subsection on comics (comics are part of literature after all) and redirecting this unreferenced list there. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
Science fiction and fantasy,
Literature,
Comics and animation, and
Lists.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
02:51, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Seems like a notable topic for a list
- https://www.cbr.com/doomsday-clock-the-15-scariest-dystopian-futures-in-comics/
- https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/jul/20/ganzeers-graphic-novel-future-dystopia-recent-history-egypt-the-solar-girl
- https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781003158295-8/dystopian-comics-cautionary-tales-future-arctic-leena-romu
- The above links indicate that dystopian comics have been discussed as a group in reliable sources, which is justification to keep WP:LISTN CT55555( talk) 03:47, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Seems like a notable topic for a list
- Keep Per CT55555. Jclemens ( talk) 04:39, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment the future is almost always portrayed as dystopian; unless it is The Jetsons. I will have to give this one some thought. Lightburst ( talk) 17:40, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
KeepI think CT55555 showed that other publications have shown the notability of dystopian comics lists. Lightburst ( talk) 02:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)- @ Lightburst At minimum, we need a major cleanup here (removal of all unreferenced parts, per V and OR). At which point, really, why not merge what remains to the literature list? If the comic section(s) there grow to the point of being lenghty, this can be recreated, with refs. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:01, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- I will yield to your opinion on the matter. Lightburst ( talk) 12:51, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment This is a TV Tropes list, and there has been no attempt to hide that. At minimum, the descriptions need to go and sources need to be added. The ideal solution would be to find sources on the topic of dystopian comics and write a proper prose article instead, but that would probably take quite a bit of time and effort. For now, the above suggestion to merge any sourced entries to List of dystopian literature seems an acceptable compromise. TompaDompa ( talk) 09:38, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Rewrite: I am sympathetic to keeping this article but there is also very little to keep. The current article does not reflect the reporting from reliable sources and I think both the article's supporters and critics need to work together to address that. We should start with the sources identified by CT55555. Archrogue ( talk) 18:38, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.