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The result was keep. Sandstein 17:56, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
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Excessively trivial list as eventually every hip hot artist would be listed in here. While many of the artists listed here are notable (though quite a few are not), them being dead does not make them notable. There is no limiting criteria to this list (for example, List of hip hop artists killed by a coconut) that makes makes it notable in and of itself. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 05:07, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - I think this information could be useful to a lot of people, however, I think there definitely needs to be some limits applied to this article. Perhaps only artists with wikipedia articles or only hip hop artists who met with an unnatural death. But I do think this is a useful list. The thing averages like 400 hits per day! Obviously people use the article. Bali88 ( talk) 05:23, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Neither useful or pageview statistics are very good reasons to keep the article. While specific and unusual deaths may result in a better article (hence my death by coconut comment), this article as it stands now doesn't have a specifically defined criteria. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 05:32, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
- Rename List of hip hop artists who died unnaturally or List of murdered hip hop artists and leave out the ones who died for relatively normal medical reasons (rabies?) and those without articles. Clarityfiend ( talk) 09:52, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Lol, I didn't notice the rabies death. Rabies deaths are unusual enough for it to be notable though! Bali88 ( talk) 15:03, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment There's a lot of duplication with List of deaths in rock and roll. (That article barely survived an AfD in 2012, so it can't be considered a precedent.) -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 13:13, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. I don't see much, if any, overlap. I've also started trimming that list. Gene Pitney and "natural causes" don't exactly cut the mustard. Clarityfiend ( talk) 00:32, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 14:36, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep and reorganize - This article is not excessive. It falls within the scope of WikiProject Death and was re-created in 2013 after several deletions of other lists years ago. citation needed The article is an attempt to gather a more complete and specific list of deaths in hip hop music. It is also the most up-to-date list. It should be kept and reorganized by year (or cause of death) instead of randomly. 71.82.112.140 ( talk) 13:41, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- The consensus and result of this discussion was to keep the article. As long as there are no further objections I will go ahead and close the discussion. Thanks for your participation. 71.82.112.140 ( talk) 06:07, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 01:02, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - Seems rather interesting (I'm well aware of OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), but as noted above the non notables/redlinked should be removed. – Davey2010 • (talk) 01:39, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep The nomination shows no awareness of List of hip hop artists which, by definition, will be even bigger. This list is a subset and seems a reasonably relevant way of structuring the information. Andrew ( talk) 09:25, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- List of deceased hip hop artists is not used as way to structure List of hip hop artists. Many of the artists listed under deceased are not listed at all under List of hip hop artists. In fact, List of deceased hip hop artists is linked to no other article at all so it would be to say that it is being used to structure another list. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 04:00, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: I don't believe that it was claimed by that user to be a structure of that article specifically, but instead, a structure of a completely separate set of data/information; a subset, if you will, of hip hop artists, but only those who are deceased (which would be your "limiting criteria"). Still, you have neglected to consider the first list as both definitively and technically larger, which renders your first argument about excessive info, as blatantly ignoring or unintentionally lacking in the scope of encyclopedic information on Wikipedia relating to hip hop in general. The first list being larger is a good point and something which I wouldn't have brought up myself, so thanks to that user for bringing it up. Please go ahead and close the discussion now (or relist it for a third time). It is up to the administrators. Thanks 71.82.112.140 ( talk) 23:59, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
- Please stop telling me that I'm blatantly ignoring the larger list or lacking some understanding of hip hop in general (in other words WP:AGF). The existence of other lists is a poor reason to keep an article. The issue, as I clearly stated in the original nomination, is that this particular list has no particularly limiting criteria that makes this list uniquely notable. Being in hip hop versus some other genre is not special. Being dead is not special. Being dead and in hip hop is not special. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 03:07, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
- If you sincerely didn't notice the much larger list as mentioned above and it was an honest mistake that was unintentional, then that's understandable. There's no bad blood on my side. Thanks for linking to OTHERSTUFFEXISTS because I wasn't well aware of that wikilink as mentioned above. I believe that many of the artists listed here were legends in hip hop, and others were much harder to dig up much info on due to weaker coverage by journalists. I really would like to thank everyone else who participated in this discussion and the admins for helping me get into more proper editing techniques throughout the last few months. In the end it was worth all of the effort. Have a nice week everyone. 71.82.112.140 ( talk) 02:31, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Sandstein 17:56, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- List of deceased hip hop artists ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Excessively trivial list as eventually every hip hot artist would be listed in here. While many of the artists listed here are notable (though quite a few are not), them being dead does not make them notable. There is no limiting criteria to this list (for example, List of hip hop artists killed by a coconut) that makes makes it notable in and of itself. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 05:07, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - I think this information could be useful to a lot of people, however, I think there definitely needs to be some limits applied to this article. Perhaps only artists with wikipedia articles or only hip hop artists who met with an unnatural death. But I do think this is a useful list. The thing averages like 400 hits per day! Obviously people use the article. Bali88 ( talk) 05:23, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Neither useful or pageview statistics are very good reasons to keep the article. While specific and unusual deaths may result in a better article (hence my death by coconut comment), this article as it stands now doesn't have a specifically defined criteria. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 05:32, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
- Rename List of hip hop artists who died unnaturally or List of murdered hip hop artists and leave out the ones who died for relatively normal medical reasons (rabies?) and those without articles. Clarityfiend ( talk) 09:52, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Lol, I didn't notice the rabies death. Rabies deaths are unusual enough for it to be notable though! Bali88 ( talk) 15:03, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment There's a lot of duplication with List of deaths in rock and roll. (That article barely survived an AfD in 2012, so it can't be considered a precedent.) -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 13:13, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. I don't see much, if any, overlap. I've also started trimming that list. Gene Pitney and "natural causes" don't exactly cut the mustard. Clarityfiend ( talk) 00:32, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 14:36, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 14:36, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep and reorganize - This article is not excessive. It falls within the scope of WikiProject Death and was re-created in 2013 after several deletions of other lists years ago. citation needed The article is an attempt to gather a more complete and specific list of deaths in hip hop music. It is also the most up-to-date list. It should be kept and reorganized by year (or cause of death) instead of randomly. 71.82.112.140 ( talk) 13:41, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- The consensus and result of this discussion was to keep the article. As long as there are no further objections I will go ahead and close the discussion. Thanks for your participation. 71.82.112.140 ( talk) 06:07, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 01:02, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - Seems rather interesting (I'm well aware of OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), but as noted above the non notables/redlinked should be removed. – Davey2010 • (talk) 01:39, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep The nomination shows no awareness of List of hip hop artists which, by definition, will be even bigger. This list is a subset and seems a reasonably relevant way of structuring the information. Andrew ( talk) 09:25, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- List of deceased hip hop artists is not used as way to structure List of hip hop artists. Many of the artists listed under deceased are not listed at all under List of hip hop artists. In fact, List of deceased hip hop artists is linked to no other article at all so it would be to say that it is being used to structure another list. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 04:00, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: I don't believe that it was claimed by that user to be a structure of that article specifically, but instead, a structure of a completely separate set of data/information; a subset, if you will, of hip hop artists, but only those who are deceased (which would be your "limiting criteria"). Still, you have neglected to consider the first list as both definitively and technically larger, which renders your first argument about excessive info, as blatantly ignoring or unintentionally lacking in the scope of encyclopedic information on Wikipedia relating to hip hop in general. The first list being larger is a good point and something which I wouldn't have brought up myself, so thanks to that user for bringing it up. Please go ahead and close the discussion now (or relist it for a third time). It is up to the administrators. Thanks 71.82.112.140 ( talk) 23:59, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
- Please stop telling me that I'm blatantly ignoring the larger list or lacking some understanding of hip hop in general (in other words WP:AGF). The existence of other lists is a poor reason to keep an article. The issue, as I clearly stated in the original nomination, is that this particular list has no particularly limiting criteria that makes this list uniquely notable. Being in hip hop versus some other genre is not special. Being dead is not special. Being dead and in hip hop is not special. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 03:07, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
- If you sincerely didn't notice the much larger list as mentioned above and it was an honest mistake that was unintentional, then that's understandable. There's no bad blood on my side. Thanks for linking to OTHERSTUFFEXISTS because I wasn't well aware of that wikilink as mentioned above. I believe that many of the artists listed here were legends in hip hop, and others were much harder to dig up much info on due to weaker coverage by journalists. I really would like to thank everyone else who participated in this discussion and the admins for helping me get into more proper editing techniques throughout the last few months. In the end it was worth all of the effort. Have a nice week everyone. 71.82.112.140 ( talk) 02:31, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.